iPad iOS 5 vs Windows 8 Slate [video]

By Tom Warren, on 15th Sep 11 6:46 pm with 210 Comments

Microsoft unveiled its Windows 8 developer preview earlier this week, but how does it compare to iOS?

Microsoft has done some impressive work with Windows 8 to make it truly slate friendly. Hardware specifications and specifics are still being fleshed out but the core software compares favourably to Apple’s iPad iOS 5 software. In the video below we compare several scenarios in Windows 8 to an Apple iPad running the latest iOS 5 beta. We could not extend this to more built in features like Mail, Calendar, App Store etc as a lot of these experiences are not available in the developer preview build of Windows 8. As Windows 8 progresses we’ll post a more in-depth comparison between the two to highlight both company’s tablet offerings.

  • http://twitter.com/BasKoene Bas Koene

    Windows 8 wins.

    • AndyD

      Ya but it is just a toy, not a real PC, it would be ok for watching a movie but other then that no one could create or do any real work on that thing :(

    • http://www.facebook.com/Michiel.Papp Michiel Papp

      Except when you goto the desktop menu you go straight to your complete windows machine (dekstop and normal apps like a desktop). That’s the power of windows 8. You are in metro for the casual, and switch to the desktop for some serious work.

    • trashoner

      so what you are saying is that having a full fleshed OS isn’t any better than having a phone OS installed in a slate?? I beg to differ my friend. You can install real apps in this thing. Connect a mouse and a keyboard  to this thing and youre ready to go.

    • AndyD

      The whole tablet thing is just a fad, just like netbooks, everyone ran out and bought one and then discovered that they were toys with little real use.   This things are just the same no matter what OS.

    • Anonymous

      The thing about netbooks though, is that they were just crappy laptops that cost less than the real thing.  When the iPad came out and did the same thing as the netbook at a competitive price, attention shifted from netbooks to slate devices.  Given the limitations of iOS I’ll concede that they’re mere toys in comparison with laptops or desktops. Windows 8 tablets seek to offer greater flexibility by delivering both the simplified Metro interface as well as a full desktop interface.  For those who don’t mind working without physical interface devices, Windows 8 tablets could be a viable alternative to a laptop.  Simply put, the flexibility of Windows 8 may lend tablets the power needed to make it more than an expensive toy/laziness enhancing device.

    • Guest

      I not sure what you mean.. what will these devices do that can not be done on the iPad?  x86 Windows apps will not run on the ARM version of Windows 8 so it coming with the same limitations as iOS.  :(

    • Anonymous

      Have a file system and the ability to add memory storage without any extra dongles, just to name a couple. Have you really never experienced the limitations of the iPad?

      The hardware is very limiting. All it really has going for it is the app dev, which is based on it being priced for the cool geek niche who are primed to buy stuff.

      I say that being one of the cool geeks who bought the devices, but also was smart enough to step outside to experience the other ecosystems.

    • Anonymous

      Let us not forget. There will be x86 tablets as well. So, there will be a choice between the two.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhys-Eunson/100000011973748 Rhys Eunson

      So to use real apps and make this thing useful with its full fledged OS all you have do is connect a mouse and a keyboard and you are ready to go? You just turned your tablet into a desktop you idiot.

    • Anonymous

      hardly a toy when compare to ios5..  if a video doesn’t play in ios5 you have to convert it, if a video doesn’t play in metro video player, just go to deskop and play through whatever windows program you want – the full experience is there as well and works well with touch too

    • AndyD

      You have to add keyboard to do any real coding, may as well just get a laptop so what is the use.   

    • Anonymous

      Make up your Mind! First it’s a toy with no real value, then it’s a Proper substitute for a Laptop!

      And By the way, it’s Everything!! so your argument is Null & Void!!! :)

    • AndyD

      ok for the “slow” kids in the class, a person has to add a keyboard to make this toy useful so the intelligent person would not run out a get a toy that it in itself is good for little except for playing with and go out and purchase a laptop and have a real machine to do real work. 

    • Dean

      Buy a keyboard, plug it into Windows 8 tablet. Done.

    • AndyD

      Or just by a laptop and skip this dumb fad!

    • türkgü_cccü

      You’re mixing up “useful” and “ease of use”.
      I can still write programs with vs on a windows 8 tablet without a keyboard, albeit with more difficulty. Incidentally, adding a $200 keyboard and high-dpi mouse to an iPad does not make it any more useful. 

      You’re thinking: buy a fad/toy, and add a keyboard, in which case the buyer is better off buying a laptop (which is true for iPad).

      I’m thinking: buy a laptop, but with a detachable keyboard, so if I need to shave off some extra weight, I have the option to. The only thing I sacrifice is the lack of a physical keyboard/mouse, which may inhibit a keyboard/mouse person like me. But otherwise, the OS does not suddenly “dumb down” when I do not have any connected keyboard/mouse.

      And if you really REALLY just can’t come to terms with windows 8 on a tablet, then take your own advice and buy windows 8 on a laptop, or even a desktop if you swing that way. Microsoft won’t judge you.

    • AndyD

      It is not just me but Microsoft management thinks it too that it is just a fad:

      http://www.winrumors.com/microsofts-chief-strategy-officer-thinks-the-ipad-is-just-a-fad/

    • Anonymous

      I take it you haven’t ever used a mobile tablet? Would explain all the negativity.

      There are things the tablet excels at. For instance, I’m not taking my laptop to the sofa, bed or bathroom with me. Nor am I using it in the car, train or plane commute. It’s just too cumbersome. But with a tablet I can easily access my media (books, music, video), e-mail, communication/social apps, browser for news.

      Yes when I want to sit down and do a lot of typing or graphic design work, I reach for my laptop. I can do quick edits on the fly with my tablet but it’s a pain after 100 words.

      I own both iPads and have used them for a year. They excel at media consumption but iOS is just not designed for content creation. There are hacks and workarounds with various apps. Trouble is the lack of a file system and memory expansion slot severely limits the device. iOS 5 is not a major improvement for the device and will hamper it into 2012.

      I also own an Asus Transformer Honeycomb tablet with detachable keyboard dock. That is a true netbook replacement as I get a native file system, memory expansion, USB ports and 16 hours battery life. The problem is I’m using a mobile OS that still has growing pains issues. Frankly I’m not happy with any of my Office replacement apps. And there are limits on what files I can play as well as the apps. I’m limited to the world of mobile.

      Windows 8 offers the promise of a mobile and desktop OS combined. Not all apps will run on ARM, but I think we can bet there will be ARM-compatible MS Office versions, probably bundled with the desktop version. And being used on desktops as well, I think we’ll see more of the Asus Transformer style convertible devices, e.g. smart screens with detachable keyboards.

      Bottomline, if Windows 8 & Metro GUI is all the buzz says, then I think Apple and Google have reason to worry for next year. Microsoft dominates the desktop space and are making a big play for mobile.

    • AndyD

      Sadly, much as I support MS, I have seen ZERO evidence that they have a clue about mobile, WP7 is tanking and even with W8 we are talking about a year before they are even introducing a product that will try to complete with tablets that have been on the market for over a year and a half.  

      I want MS to be showing us innovation that makes these toys useful not how their going to copy the market leaders, who are not standing still while MS takes its time to play catch-up on a product that even it own Chief  Strategy Officer thinks is a fad.

      I have been here a long time and can not believe how many posters who a year ago was saying the exact same thing about the iPad and now defends the same lame product because it comes in Windows flavor.  These tablets was a joke then and are a joke now.  

    • Anonymous

      Nice trolling post. Where is the evidence of this “copying” Apple? Metro UI is fresh and new. All the social-network and search integration is new as well. WP7 hasn’t sold well due to poor hardware and half-baked OS release. Once Mango comes out, it’s gonna be like a smartphone supernova.

    • Guest

      Metro is new but as the case with WP7 it is anything but fresh, more like dying on the vine mangos.   Market has proved people are rejecting it.   I starting to get concerned MS should rename Window 8 to Vista 2 

    • Ironnmetal

      The only people who have “rejected” it are the ones who haven’t tried it. And their opinions are invalid due to lack of experience. WP7 has an incredibly high satisfaction rating. You’re clearly just hating from afar, which is pretty easy to do, and smells of cowardice.

    • Guest

      Wrong I was one of the first to buy a WP7 phone, I am just stating that no matter what my opinion on the phone is, the sales numbers speak louder to the fact buyers are not interested in the OS 

    • Ironnmetal

      Actually, it’s more like the rest of the market doesn’t have a clue when it comes to mobile. WP7 is by far the best mobile user experience, and anyone that says otherwise obviously hasn’t used it. I’ll trade a low user-base right now for a great OS experience. Remember the first XBox? No one thought MS knew anything about gaming, but clearly they can learn a market if they want to.

      I remain skeptical about tablets, but mostly because they’re all neutered versions of devices I already possess. If Win8 can live up to the hype, tablets could indeed be on their way towards being viable. Someone has to make it possible… why not MS?

    • Anonymous

      MS is integrating the Metro tablet/phone GUI with their full fledged desktop OS. That is very new and different from their competitors. Metro is the Start Menu in Win8. You’ll have Metro apps that run on all your devices, not just the mobile ones. Apple is trying to get there with Lion, but they are a long way off. Not to mention iOS is a very poor user experience when compared to Metro or Android. In iOS, you get a screen full of icons which you then have to select to open an app and get info. Android offers onscreen widgets to give you snapshots of you info (weather temp/forecast/radar, email headers an content, twitter posts, text messages, etc). Metro is designed to give you the same.

      The doubt about a tablet-only future is whether consumers will prefer not having physical keyboards/mice in their computers. For casual users who only surf the web, send email, watch video and listen to music, then yes. A tablet is sufficient and in some ways superior. They have longer battery life, are lighter and more portable. For power users, they are adjunct tools used for review of content and on the fly editing. A dock is mandatory.

    • Anonymous

      I’ll bet the metro media application will use the same library of codecs as WMP will, so just install whatever codec you want through classic mode and it’ll allow the media to play. Even better :)

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    • Guest

      If that is true, it really sucks!

    • Anonymous

      This has been known forever. if you want old x86 apps to run on arm you are going to have to recompile/rewrite

    • Lukas Taves

      No, this basically means no desktop apps on arms at all, just metro apps…

    • FriendlyGuest:)

      Actually, the focus in reading TheFranchise216′s answer is on _recompile/rewrite_, so while x86 apps won’t run, they will run if recompiled because they will no longer be x86 apps but ARM apps.

    • FriendlyGuest:)

      .Net apps don’t need recompiling/rewriting.

    • FriendlyGuest:)

      .Net apps don’t need recompiling/rewriting.

    • Anonymous

      MS NEVER promised that. In fact they were very up front about this from the begining.

    • n00b

      No, in iOS you buy the MPlayerX app or you jailbreak and download the VLC app.

    • Anonymous

      Or you stream/transcode using Plex, AirVideo or ZumoCast, or you use one of the other hundreds of media players available on the App Store. Honestly, Windows 8 and the Metro UI are some of the freshest things to come out of MS in years. Almost everyone is impressed or intrigued right now. There is no need to drag in half baked misinformation about Apple products and ruin a good thing.

    • HeatherL

      I guess you are right, just another toy :(

      “We’ve been very clear since the very first CES demos and forward that the ARM product won’t run any x86 applications,” Sinofsky said in a meeting with financial analysts yesterday, according to InformationWeek. 

    • Guest

      FO troll. And impersonating a female? Really?!? Get a life.

    • HeatherL

      Your just made that a chick is smarter then you!

    • Supernaught

      I think AndyD is just a jealous MAC troll. 

    • Anonymous

      Just like on the iPad..

    • Guest

      The major difference is one has been available for a year and a half while the other will not be for another year :(

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhys-Eunson/100000011973748 Rhys Eunson

      I must have watched a different video. They showed very similar features and the iPad seemed to require less steps to do the same things. Windows 8 was more customizable, but the UI is not simple and obvious. The left, right, up and down gestures aren’t obvious and it would take a while to learn them and what they do in each application and they do in the OS.

    • Ironnmetal

      Your assessment seems quite out of place. Yes, the gestures are not as obvious, but that’s only because you don’t have a giant, shiny icon popping out of the screen and punching you in the face as it tells you how to perform a basic task. If you’re too stupid to figure out that swiping from the right will always bring up location-specific settings, then computing just might not be your thing.

      What’s great so far is that Win8 seems to be developing with simplicity in mind. Take my example above for instance: I’m using a twitter app. I want to change how often I receive notifications. On iOS I have to back out of the app and then find the Settings button, then locate the twitter app and find the setting. On Win8, all I have to do is swipe from the right while inside the app and then locate the setting. Done.

      Tom struggled a bit with the gestures which might have made them seem more complicated, but the discerning eye can tell that Win8 is shaping up to make things much more intuitive.

    • nemo

      Tom please, *harsh sound at start of video*, no more. :) You do good work, I’d rather the focus on that. By the way what software do you use for the videos? Thanks.

  • Silvio

    Nice!!

  • http://www.searingarrow.com AlienSix

    The true battle lies here. Between the two titans. Microsoft vs. Apple, like it should have always been

    • Anonymous

      Wrong Android Honeycomb rocks!

    • Anonymous

      As a former Android user, it sucks period. The entire OS is an absolute mess.

    • Anonymous

      everyone i know who runs android does so because is so easy to pirate all the apps.. not sure if that pays off for the devs though.. we shall see

    • Guest

      I found it easier on the ipad than a droid to pirate apps. If there is something I want done android has it free from someone.

    • Guest

      I found it easier on the ipad than a droid to pirate apps. If there is something I want done android has it free from someone.

    • rsgx

      LOL, I prefer even WebOS to Honeycomb.

      Nice dreaming there.

    • Guest

      Then why dont you go to a WebOS forum TROLL

    • Guest

      Go troll else where

    • Guest

      But it does not have flash 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001039271971 Martyn Metalous

      HTML 5 killed flash, no one cares anymore

    • Jinge

      What about flash games?

    • http://www.facebook.com/halfares Husain Alfares

      anyone really still playing those??!

    • http://twitter.com/RobertCFP Robert Wade

      Flash is dead.  Adobe just hasn’t buried it yet.  And all  those stupid developers & website operators are too lazy to get with the program and use modern, efficient tools to replace Flash.

    • Guest

      Without flash it will never sale, it will be a flop, it needs flash MS!

    • Joe05

      +1 no flash = FAIL

    • Kirtanam

      First, Win 8 does run flash. However, if you look at Apple, they have sold Millions of devices that do not run flash. So even if they remove Flash support in the future (which I doubt they will) Microsoft can still sell millions of Windows 8 devices. Win 8, unlike iOS is a full blown operating system. It combines the Windows Phone, Tablets and PCs. Win 8 is a true Post-PC OS.

    • Guest

      The whole Post-PC is a Steve Jobs thing the is utter BS.   PC sales are slow because of the Economy and people are buying these toys for now but will but not for long PC will start to rock again and everyone will laugh at that whole Post-PC statement.  Stop drinking the Apple/Jobs kool-aid.  

    • An Educated Opinion

      Why then is Apple selling more product than ever before…unlike ANY other company. People have decided they want a quality product I would guess.

    • Guest

      Get loss ifanboy

    • Anonymous

      I think he just answered your question.

    • BestleB

      @e2534341563021809a5f24f2dc88c90b:disqus Shows how little you know:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/no_plug_ins_on_windows_eight_browser/

    • Guest

      Change to desktop mode and IE can use the flash

    • Guest

      Change to desktop mode and IE can use the flash

    • Polymorphous Pervert

      “full blown” is the right way to put it.  iOS does the job it was designed to do and does it elegantly well. Every version of Windows I have ever used or programmed on (dating back to Windows 98) has suffered from trying to do way too much and not doing any of it very well.  Some of the most painful programming experiences of a 30 year programming career have been on Windows trying to work around something MSFT didn’t think of or worse, something they decided they needed to do for me.

    • BestleB

      Your right it will never sale without Flash

    • Kirtanam

      Win 8 still supports Flash. I installed 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta on it yesterday and it works fine. However, Flash is dying, if not dead already. HTML 5 and CSS3 is the future.

    • Guest

      MS is coping Apple and killing flash on W8 

    • Flash

      Its the era of captain america now and not flash

    • http://jonhddoe123.myopenid.com/ jdoe

      Nope. The one who copies Apple is Google, with Android.

      Microsoft will probably just do the thing they think is right. Killing flash would be right, IMO, but if they don’t, it won’t be “just to one up Apple” like the Me-too-gle did with Android.

    • Anonymous

      Who told you so? get out of the METRO interface and has full flash. May be next time you should play before commenting.

    • HealtherL

      @AlienSix88:disqus That is the dumbest thing I ever heard.  What are you talking about MS sells 90% more PC’s then Apple could even hopeful.   Apple is no competition to MS it just Apple has good marketing. Stop being a Apple fanboy and trolling here.  

    • rsgx

      He’s not trolling, he’s absolutely right.

      If Apple was no threat, why has the iPad market done so well, and taken away from the netbook market too? There’s a reason Apple is one of the most valuable companies in the world.

      Give credit where it’s due.

    • Guest

      Another TROLL fanboy, go hang out at engadget 

    • Zuneratheart

      he’s actually correct. And I’m a Windows fan. I bought a Motorola xoom, and I hate it.

    • http://jonhddoe123.myopenid.com/ jdoe

      So, people who prefer Windows 8 to Honeycomb are Apple fanboys now? Wow… :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/halfares Husain Alfares

      its called first movers advantage. personally, i think apple products are the best in terms of design. but iOS is really dumb.

    • http://twitter.com/froo Mark

      Its not necessarily first mover advantage. Microsoft has been trying to push a poor tablet experience for years (Windows XP Tablet Edition first came out late 2002).

      Also Windows 8 looks great here. I hope they make access to settings via simple icons as well as the gestures, otherwise they might end up confusing too many people.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhys-Eunson/100000011973748 Rhys Eunson

      @ HeatherL”Apple is no competition to MS it just Apple has good marketing.” Does marketing get you the highest satisfaction rates for products (Macs, Macbooks, iPhones, iPads, iPods) several years in a row? Does marketing get you the highest ratings for customer support several years in a row? 
      Apple spends less on marketing a year than Microsoft, yet makes more profit & revenue and has a higher market cap. Do you think investors simply invest in the company with better Ads? 
      Apple also turned over its inventory 66 times this year, four to five times the rate of most of its competition. Was that marketing or good management?MS doesn’t sell any PCs, but they do peddle several OSs. Windows might sell hundreds of millions of copies, but the hardware partners are starving for profits. By comparison, Apple makes 90% of the profits for “PCs” over $1000.

      Gush over MS all you want, but if you think Apple has nothing but marketing over MS then you are delusional.

    • HeatherL

      @facebook-100000011973748:disqus Apple gets gullible idiots to overspend on over priced products and then have to wanting to believe they are smart for doing so, so of course marketing persuades them into saying they are happy with the products other wise they have to admit they are idiots and the “Emperor has no clothes” 

      95% of WP7 who try it thinks it is the best OS but because it has been marketed poorly it is not selling as well as the iPhone.  If people was not idiots and fell for nice marketing and thought for themselves WP7 would be the #1 phone OS in the world.  

      MS has been making tablets for years but Apple dumbs it down from being a real PC to be a big iPhone and makes it seem hip to own and idiots goes out and buys them to find out the only thing you can do it play a games or eMail on them.   Yes that is good marketing.

      Why anyone would even pay over $1000 for a Apple PC when I can buy better hardware for less is not great management but good marketing.  

    • Anonymous

      Have those 95% of WP7 people actually bought WP7 phones? If not, their opinions mean nothing. The only opinion that counts is the one backed with cash… Purchases.

      MS has had 20 years of tablet work to do it right. Apple does it in their first attempt, and in 15 months have sold more tablets than MS in 20 years.

      I remember how DOS stalwarts in 1990 loved to say that Windows was designed to dumb-down computers, just like Macs… Now you say the same thing. Hmmm. Opinions again.

      Why would anyone but a Chevy or Volkswagen that costs more when you could buy a Honda? That question is just as dumb as your question about $1000 Apple computers. If we only bought on specs, every PC would be a beige box. Oddly, people buy based on many other criteria. Included software, design, size, color, weight, etc. Nobody can be ignorant enough to not realize that.

    • Guest

      Go troll else where ifanboy

    • Damrong18

      Lets be honest here. It’s not about OS, it’s about the apps. The OS is what gives you basic functionality but it’s the apps that make whatever product you have worthwhile and right Apple leads all their competition in that, in quantity, variety, and quality.

    • Anonymous

      Isn’t it amazing how people forget that. An OS is just a platform for running apps. Most people really don’t care about OSes. They care about running apps that make them either productive or happy.

    • fjpoblam

      Hopefully, at very very least, this’ll get Apple off its duff to make a much better iPad. But, maybe it’ll be more than the least. Or not. Hurry up and W8.

  • Guest

    any idea how well Windows 8 would run on a N570 atom processor?  it’s a 1.6GHz, but I’ve heard they underperform vs regular processors…

    was thinking of getting a Dell Duo just for Win8

    • Anonymous

      Tablet only? or with attached keyboard?
      If tablet only, there’s the:
      Acer Iconia W500/W501/W501P (separate dock & keyboard)
      Asus Transformer
      Zoostorm SL8

      With Keyboard attached:
      Dell Inspiron Duo
      Samsung Slider

      Just to name a few

    • http://twitter.com/OldCongress Gamer

      What I am interested in is, if I am able to root my Asus Transformer and boot up Windows 8 when its released.

    • Anonymous

      The probable answer is  no; as the ARM O.S. will probably ship the same way as WP7; embedded in the ROM. But then again, there’s always the possibility the ROM will leakout (as such things do) and the real question will be if it [ARM O.S] is coded specifically for the shipping partner units (I heard three OEMs) or it it will be capable of running on any ARM SOC?!

      (Of course, whether or not your Tablet is capable of accepting a new booting ROM is a different story altogether! :) )

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

      I dont think it will run in any ARM SoC. MSFT should be dumb if they allowed this.

      Apple could offer a bootcamp version for their tablet with the A5 or worse yet… some cheap OEM would pick underperforming and buggy SoC from Telechips and Rockchip.

    • Anonymous

      That’s where your’re wrong. Once again, this is the Microsoft that seems to have learnt a lot of lessons from the past 10 years. The ARM SoC OEMs are:

      1) HandPicked; initial info seems to indicate that there will be three different brand/type offerings.
      2) Tight WP7 style Hardware/Software integration; so no ‘anything goes’ type of hardware/software mentality from OEMs, nor will there be a free-for-all rush to put out the cheapest crappiest type of hardware from every ‘garage’ vendor and his uncle! (see above)
      3) ARM SoC devices will run Metro apps only, available from the windows store, as opposed to the win32 apps for the x86 units that can still be sourced from anywhere. It’s likely the case that the ARM devices will be for those that prefer HTML5 only apps and don’t envision running any intensive applications ever! (that is the Apple crowd!) So they’ll still be capable of greater productivity than IOS/Android devices, as [my guess] is that a lot of apps will be available in the store [including the WP7 apps] but they won’t have access to win32 only apps (whereas the x86 devices will be capable of both)

      So choice will still be King! Choose your own portable slate device, capable of using the greater free-for-all ecosystem of Microsoft Windows, or an ARM device with millimeter thin portability, massively greater battery life, optimised hardware/software, and cutivated/protected App Store!

      The Future is great, the Future is Windows 8! :)

    • Anonymous

      Tablet only? or with attached keyboard?
      If tablet only, there’s the:
      Acer Iconia W500/W501/W501P (separate dock & keyboard)
      Asus Transformer
      Zoostorm SL8

      With Keyboard attached:
      Dell Inspiron Duo
      Samsung Slider

      Just to name a few

    • Mosquitofs

      I’ve got a Dell Inspiron mini 1020 (It has the Atom N450 processor which is not as good as the N570) and it’s working like a charme. No problems at all, running more smooth then windows 7. Only Problem the screen of my Netbook is too small to start apps so I had to connect it to my Beamer, that it had a bigger screen resolution, but even with the harder circumstances windows 8 ran really great and smooth.

    • http://twitter.com/johndotcom83 John Larson

      I have it running on a dell duo, and it runs very well, better than Windows 7 IMO

    • Anonymous

      Personally I hat anything Atom so I’d stay clear of it, when Windows 8 is released you’ll probably get a much better computer for the same price.

  • Anonymous

    as a Microsoft fan, i would choose Windows, as a Windows lover, as a gamer (since i would love to be able to launch Guildwars or Tera even if battery lasts 30 minutes. BUT i would be able to in my Tablet
    also using Windows 8 as a main OS in my desktop right now i would choose: Windows 8 tablet. having using Windows since 3.1, and obvioulsy i liking more the Windows 8 Tiles design( why i got a Windows Phone.)

    so yeah i would choose Windows Tablet! and its not even a beta release, so it will get much much better than what i think is amazing, yeah it needs changes and tweaks and improves and features but its far from reléase which makes me more excited.

    oh and nice video Tom, like always!

    • Anonymous

      Guild Wars 2 FTW!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/Michiel.Papp Michiel Papp

      /agree

    • http://jonhddoe123.myopenid.com/ jdoe

      Thanks for the nice comment that doesn’t mention Apple. Microsoft fans are just like you.

      I have a feeling that most people talking about Apple are due to the influx of Android users on the Windows community. Windows 8 (and Windows Phone 8) will hopefully bring those people back to MS and Apple will have real competition against their products, instead of people competing for who has the most noisy user community…

  • http://twitter.com/OldCongress Gamer

    iCrap’ve just lost completely. Whine at this, idogs :) I’m waiting for ya

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=677443199 Sarkis Boyadjian

      Know exactly what you mean ! Every time I post anything Microsoft related on Facebook, all the iSheep and Fandroids come running guns blazing !

    • Anonymous

      And you two are somehow better how exactly?  Seems like you’re flinging the same crap just the other direction.  Monkey see monkey do i suppose.

  • xxdesmus

    Great comparison. Well done Tom.

  • Frylockns86

    I’m glad to see pen input isn’t going away.

    • http://twitter.com/winningguy Nelson Ocampo

      Me too.  I want to use Photoshop with my future Windows 8 Slate.

  • Anonymous

    One thing not mentioned is the price, win 8 slate demoed is far more expensive than the iPad.

    • Tom

      But it’s much lighter and much less expensive than an iPad + a Macbook Air.

    • Avatar Roku

      Exactly this 1 device replaces both your iPad and your ultrabook PC.

      You have to calculate the cost savings of 1 device replacing two. I don’t think the cost of Windows 8 tablets that use ARM will be very different from iPad anyway.

    • Anonymous

      Except that it may well be possible that [with the tools MS provided] it will be easier to port/adapt x86 code into Metro design more easily, greatly enhancing the Productivity of the Win8 ARM device vs the Ipad!

    • Avatar Roku

      A Kindle is much cheaper than an iPad, what’s your point?

      A Windows 8 PC can do far more than an iPad can, just like an iPad can do far more than a Kindle.

      The Windows slate demoed is a developer only device though. It is not for sale and was specially made just for developers.

    • http://twitter.com/gingerjet gingerjet

      I can do far more on my iPad than a Windows 8 based Tablet because the iPad is shipping.  Whereas there are no tablets with Windows 8 shipping anywhere in the world.  And won’t be for at least a year.  So all your talk about what you can and cannot do is all academic.  

    • Joe

      lulz @ teh iSheep clinging on to his last string of hope: the release date.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

      Too funny. Still Windows 7 can do quite more anyway. or are you in denial to think that Windows 8 will do less than your iPad ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

      Too funny. Still Windows 7 can do quite more anyway. or are you in denial to think that Windows 8 will do less than your iPad ?

    • Anonymous

      I have it on an exopc right now,  even pre-beta it still lets me do more than an iPad can.

    • Anonymous

      I have it on an exopc right now,  even pre-beta it still lets me do more than an iPad can.

    • http://twitter.com/winningguy Nelson Ocampo

      Is this a serious argument?  You want to compare the iPad against a device that hasn’t shipped yet.  And your argument is that you can do more with the iPad because it’s shipped?

      Really?

    • Anonymous

      A Windows 7 tablet/Slate PC can do more than an iPad, and they’re available today. How well are they selling?

    • http://twitter.com/TroyGates TroyGates

      You are comparing the wrong models. Below is how pricing will probably equal out.

      $400 – $800
      Win8 ARM = iPad

      $800+
      Win8 x86/64 = Macbook Air sans keyboard (but adds touch and pen)

    • http://twitter.com/winningguy Nelson Ocampo

      Yes.  The slate that is being demoed is a full blown PC.  It’s being used for the purpose of software development.

      It would not be adequate for MS to pass out a bunch of ARM based tablets because they won’t run Visual Studio or any other development tools.

    • Anonymous

      But you can get a $350 – $500 Tablet right now that can run Win8; The Acer Iconia W500/W501/W501P

      Anything else?!

      (FYI; the reason the Samsung Slate is so expensive is that it incorporates just about every current gen sensor on its Chipset!!)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825207750 Jason Hughey

    Let the comparisons begin!  I love it.  Microsoft put their minds to it and came up with a really good product with a best-in-class ecosystem.  I was shocked as to how fast a 5 1/2 year old PC could boot in comparison to a 1 1/2 year-old ipad.  I made a video of it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz0IPEt2ctk

  • http://twitter.com/SaadElBoury Saad El Boury

    W8 FTW!!!

    iOS sorry iLOSt :)

  • http://twitter.com/ChrisJGarner Christopher Garner

    Windows 8 is awesome. I would love to see a Windows 8 tablet with the hardware design of the Zune HD. I hope we don’t get a plastic mess of tablets, though I’m sure that’s what we’re going to get.

    • Anonymous

      We will Definately be getting a whole ‘mess’ of tablets between now and release time! :) However, it may well be the ARM devices (probably only 3 initially) that will set the benchmark!

  • http://www.facebook.com/danieleran Daniel Eran Dilger

    The last time the British compared a Windows tablet against an Apple one was the Samsung Q1 UMPC versus the then ten year old Newton MessagePad. The Newton won. 

    Here, you’re comparing a 2 year old edition of iOS running on hardware that’s been selling for $500 for the last two years against a pre-beta demo of software running on a Core i3 laptop without a keyboard. That tablet would cost at least $1500 today, and might be under $900 in a year. ARM tablets (still more than an iPad, see Honeycomb gear) won’t run existing Windows 7 software. You neglect to point that out. 

    As for those excited to have an “iPad and MacBook Air in one,” consider that this will have the disadvantages of both, and the unique advantages of neither. You simply can’t “do everything” while retaining the advantages of having a targeted device. The more it works like an iPad (including running efficiently on ARM hardware) the less it will work like a PC.

    It’s like combining an pickup and a car. Yeah, you get a plush truck or a more utilitarian car, but you sacrifice either hauling capacity or a quiet, affordable ride. Hybrids are always a compromise.

    Thinking Microsoft will give you everything by making fewer tough decisions than Apple is just as delusional as the expectation that HP would blow Apple out of the water because it had such great connections with the enterprise, or that Google would win in tablets because it offered a new 3D interface and support for Flash. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

      Look who you brought. Mr. AppleInsider himself aka RoughlyDrafted mastermind.The man just came down from the iSanctuary to the Windows land just to spread his masterful words.

       I’m speechless. 

    • Anonymous

      Look at his post. It’s full of facts.

      Look at your post. It’s full of shit.

    • Anonymous

      There are no facts in his post.

    • http://twitter.com/oomu oomu

      there are only fact in his article.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

      Look who you brought. Mr. AppleInsider himself aka RoughlyDrafted mastermind.The man just came down from the iSanctuary to the Windows land just to spread his masterful words.

       I’m speechless. 

    • Anonymous

      The newton is not a pc, it was a digital assistant, so as testing it as a pc even vs a umpc would be an instant loss for the newton. The version of iOS being tested is the latest and greatest (not even released yet) so they are both running the latest. That tablet is $1100-$1200 not $1500 and it is a quad core i5, not a dual core i3.

      The iPad is an ARM tablet so I fail to see how it is cheaper than “ARM tablets”.
      The iPad does not run OSX apps so if you purchased a Windows 8 arm tablet it would be no different, except that you have the same, or similar, experience as your desktop or laptop. The metro apps you use on your ARM based Win8 tablet would be the same apps you would be using on your pc (which is everything you download from the Windows marketplace)

      Microsoft combining the two will only work if Microsoft makes it work well. That has yet to be seen but right now that could go either way. Microsoft is in the position to give us everything and yet again it has yet to be seen whether or not they will pull it off, but it is very possible. Android and iOS however are not in the position to give you “everything” and perhaps will never be in that position.

    • Anonymous

      The newton is not a pc, it was a digital assistant, so as testing it as a pc even vs a umpc would be an instant loss for the newton. The version of iOS being tested is the latest and greatest (not even released yet) so they are both running the latest. That tablet is $1100-$1200 not $1500 and it is a quad core i5, not a dual core i3.

      The iPad is an ARM tablet so I fail to see how it is cheaper than “ARM tablets”.
      The iPad does not run OSX apps so if you purchased a Windows 8 arm tablet it would be no different, except that you have the same, or similar, experience as your desktop or laptop. The metro apps you use on your ARM based Win8 tablet would be the same apps you would be using on your pc (which is everything you download from the Windows marketplace)

      Microsoft combining the two will only work if Microsoft makes it work well. That has yet to be seen but right now that could go either way. Microsoft is in the position to give us everything and yet again it has yet to be seen whether or not they will pull it off, but it is very possible. Android and iOS however are not in the position to give you “everything” and perhaps will never be in that position.

    • http://twitter.com/winningguy Nelson Ocampo

      The consumer will have a choice.

      Someone that wants the power of a full laptop can get an x86 slate running the complete Windows 8.  People who purchase this device make a conscious decision of having both the flexibility and power of a Desktop, while also having the portability of a slate.  They want access to all the Metro Style Apps, but they also want to be able to run any program that their desktop computer runs.  They also knowingly sacrifice some battery life.  These are the same consumers that would traditionally buy a laptop.  But next year, they will have a choice of a laptop or a slate.  Two form factors that serve similar purposes.

      Someone who doesn’t need a complete computer, could purchase an ARM based Windows 8 slate.  This gives them access to the whole Metro marketplace for apps.  And they also get the long battery life that ARM cpus are known for.

      Consumer choice is GOOD.

    • Guest

      LOL, after posting here under various aliases, Daniel finally puts his name on one. Funny stuff. You sound worried, mactard.

    • Guest

      “It’s like combining an pickup and a car. Yeah, you get a plush truck or a more utilitarian car, but you sacrifice either hauling capacity or a quiet, affordable ride. Hybrids are always a compromise.”

      Yeah, I guess that explains why SUVs are so unpopular. Feel free to stfu now.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UXH5HNCTFSTANWW4BLY777W72Q Chuck

      “It’s like combining an pickup and a car. Yeah, you get a plush truck or a more utilitarian car, but you sacrifice either hauling capacity or a quiet, affordable ride. Hybrids are always a compromise.”

      Actually it’s more like a “transformer”,

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UXH5HNCTFSTANWW4BLY777W72Q Chuck

      “It’s like combining an pickup and a car. Yeah, you get a plush truck or a more utilitarian car, but you sacrifice either hauling capacity or a quiet, affordable ride. Hybrids are always a compromise.”

      Actually it’s more like a “transformer”,

    • Larry

      DED you are simply a full on Anti-MS spin master.  Stay on Appleinsider where they belive your bull sh!te.

      You have no idea how it will play out, you know nothing more than anyone, you are just filled with hate.

    • Larry

      DED you are simply a full on Anti-MS spin master.  Stay on Appleinsider where they belive your bull sh!te.

      You have no idea how it will play out, you know nothing more than anyone, you are just filled with hate.

  • Jay

    wow what an annoying comparison.  

    Note to tablet reviewers: you DO NOT have to make in-air hand gestures for the camera when talking, it nauseating.

    • Anonymous

      He also seemed to be trying to use IOS gestures on the Win8 slate! (they aren’t the same!)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

    Open iTunes on the Windows 8 device and enslave the toy because this PC is its master.Better yet….download a Flash based Youtube video and transcode it using a media encoder so they toy can enjoy some fun. :-D

  • Anonymous

    Nice Video!  A Windows 8 tablet may be my next tablet!  Looks awesome.  Probably hold off until the next version of Office comes out with touch interfaces.

    • Anonymous

      You can always get a micro-portable bluetooth mouse to use with it!

    • Anonymous

      But then I might as well be using my laptop….

  • http://w1ngnut.myopenid.com/ w1ngnut

    How long til apple copies most of these features like they did with Mango?

  • http://w1ngnut.myopenid.com/ w1ngnut

    How long til apple copies most of these features like they did with Mango?

    • Anonymous

      Win8 will still beat them out the gate to release! I’m fairly certain that by this time next year Win8 will be RTM’d, if not Gold!

  • Anonymous

    Nice.  Would like to see a segment in that video on multitasking and copy/paste.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NZRPL7DK7DFQQO44J5TM4PQLGU Harvey

    Great video Tom!  Good work!

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if Apple holds a patent on the “media controls display on lock screen”.

    • Anonymous

      I have that on my Windows Phone.  It is doubtful but it wouldn’t matter anyways since MS and Apple cross license.

    • Guest

      bring it, dipshit.

  • Albert

    The true test will be the availability of apps. That, and the gaming abilities, is what still gives Windows a huge edge on the desktop/laptop side. That is what gives iOS a big edge (at this time) on the tablet side. Only time will tell if Microsoft can overcome that edge. My guess would be ‘no,’ but I wouldn’t bet on it.

    • http://twitter.com/winningguy Nelson Ocampo

      Well, for x86 systems, they pretty much have the library of everything that works on Windows 7.

      But I guess you’re just talking about the Metro side.

      From the buzz that seems to be going around in the dev community, I’m confident there will be a ton of applications available at launch.  I would not be surprised to see over 10,000 Metro Style Apps at launch.

    • Anonymous

      My guess is 20 – 30K minimum!

  • https://profiles.google.com/116073748054291541228/posts Techy8789

    And I thought the iPad was big…

    • Guest

      Like a gordita

  • Owais_503

    isnt it to early to do “iPad iOS 5 vs Windows 8″ video

  • Jinge

    The W8 start screen is just awesome compared to the others…

  • http://twitter.com/BenjRubenstein Benjamin Rubenstein

    You forgot the part about Windows 8 also having… Well… a fully functional Windows desktop. Can’t really compete with that. No current tablet OS can.

  • http://www.facebook.com/walkeras Ashley James Walker

    I think one point is missing here, You can manage your iPad from windows 8…….

  • http://www.facebook.com/walkeras Ashley James Walker

    I think one point is missing here, You can manage your iPad from windows 8…….

  • http://www.facebook.com/ckpnguyen Kelvin Nguyen

    this review sucks

  • http://www.facebook.com/ckpnguyen Kelvin Nguyen

    this review sucks

  • http://www.facebook.com/ckpnguyen Kelvin Nguyen

    this review sucks

  • Eric Gordon

    It’s funny. As an apple fan, (switched from pc) I find it humorous how your stating that the slate has blown away the iPad when the fact of the matter is, by the time the slate is out, the next iPad will probably be, a month from release. So even if your software is better the hardware will likely be outdated in comparison. Also, I don’t recall the slate beating out the iPad in the video. The iPad either had an equivalent or was better. Lastly, get off your pedestal, call me an iSheep if you want but you can’t really say your any different towards microsoft can you?

    • Guest

      iSheep

  • Anonymous

    The OS is a mess. I would go Droid all the way!

  • lulzkill

    Not to piss in your lemonade, but your x86 Windows 7/8 programs WILL NOT run on an ARM Windows 8 tablet.  Yes, I realize the developer preview device is x86, but how many companies are shipping x86 tablets at the moment…?

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/sinofsky_windows8_arm_support_x86_apps/

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

      Just recompile the source code to get some ARM binaries. are you happy now ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

      Just recompile the source code to get some ARM binaries. are you happy now ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

      Just recompile the source code to get some ARM binaries. are you happy now ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

      Just recompile the source code to get some ARM binaries. are you happy now ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Dawkins/746307628 Ricardo Dawkins

      Just recompile the source code to get some ARM binaries. are you happy now ?

  • AnthonyF

    Umm Tom are you allowed to show ios 5?

    Apart from that, the first thing that struck me is the sheer size of the Win tablet !
    Next is the power needed – i believe that tablet is running an i5 quad core cpu? How does that affect price? If it cant keep to $499 then its not a like for like comparison is it? What about battery, how long does a tablet with a power hungry cpu last on battery?

    Whilst i wish MS all the luck with this – and it is, without doubt, technically very advanced – i haven’t seen anything yet that is ground breaking enough to tempt the masses to adopt it.

  • AnthonyF

    Umm Tom are you allowed to show ios 5?

    Apart from that, the first thing that struck me is the sheer size of the Win tablet !
    Next is the power needed – i believe that tablet is running an i5 quad core cpu? How does that affect price? If it cant keep to $499 then its not a like for like comparison is it? What about battery, how long does a tablet with a power hungry cpu last on battery?

    Whilst i wish MS all the luck with this – and it is, without doubt, technically very advanced – i haven’t seen anything yet that is ground breaking enough to tempt the masses to adopt it.

  • Soigneerin

    It’s too early to do comparison videos. Pre-beta? At least wait for beta, sheesh.

  • Deepak Bhakoo

    OMG this is undoubtly the BEST tablet OS. 100000 times better than iOS and 100 times better than Android too. Only thing i will miss is bluetooth file transfers, as in windows phone 7. I am lovin it :) <3

  • Rusty Gates

    What about the share to print. This is a differentiator when comparing the two. iOS users don’t have as many print options. And also the fact that you have hardware options like plugging in a mouse. The win8 devices are multifunctional.

  • Rusty Gates

    What about the share to print. This is a differentiator when comparing the two. iOS users don’t have as many print options. And also the fact that you have hardware options like plugging in a mouse. The win8 devices are multifunctional.

  • Anonymous

    I think you need to tap and hold a character if you want to get related special characters, like in Windows Phone. So for example if you want the ‘a’ grave/acute accents, just tap and hold ‘a’ and it should come up, like it does in Windows Phone.

  • http://www.theiphoner.co.il/ משחקים לאייפון

    ipad is the best

  • Anus

    Looks like Tom Warren has some problems with the nerves, your hands didnt stopped even for a second

  • Saleh Tazli

    MS will like allways follow Apple, and everything is just COPY off apple!!

  • Dixonjr79

    Thanks for this great video…my belief is that apple may end up replacing ios with osx on the Ipad…

  • Dixonjr79

    Thanks for this great video…my belief is that apple may end up replacing ios with osx on the Ipad…

  • Impartial

    Can I just say, Tom I friging love your site!

  • Anonymous

    This preview would have been more enjoyeable if it wasn’t the all of that incessant mumbling and “umm”ing and all the so’s..
    Please, Winrumors, in the future use someone that does not have a speech impediment..or at least use someone that sounds a little more excited about what they are wanting all the rest of us to buy into.  Thanks..

  • Anonymous

    A couple of things you didn’t mention
    Sharing in windows 8 is not hard coded in the OS to twitter and facebook only, any app that supports sharing through it will show up in your sharing options and any app that wants to allow users to share from that app can easily enable it.
    Both sides, the sharing and shared, don’t need to know about each other. that means that if tomorrow a new social network,say G+, has an app that you can share with, all other apps will see it in the list without making any code changes to the apps or the OS. much better for both users and developers.

    As for the settings, I never liked having to go into the iphone settings to change some app specific setting.
    Some apps still created a custom screen for settings and didn’t use the ios settings feature. So you have to figure it out for each app, and you have to actually leave the app, go to the settings screen after you find it in all the many icons you have, search for the same app in the long app list there, just to change a setting.

    In windows 8, developers might still create a custom settings screen, but if they use the win 8 settings feature, users won’t have to go anywhere to use it, it’s a much better experience
    I was really surprised the first time I saw the ios solution for settings, it’s annoying

  • http://twitter.com/NikCA NikCA

    A big thing that iOS has the advnatage with, is that my 2 year old kid and my 65 year mother can both use it. I’m loving the look of Win8 – but I’m a geek. Family/mass market, will really struggle with a desktop level experience on a simple tablet. Even an Apple fan, I can actually see me switching to Win8.

    • Be

      I suppose that depends on your definition of ‘use’. Randomly punch small, colorful, candy-like icons? Sure. Slobber on the aluminum edges, yell poorly formed, incoherent sentence fragments at the device ? Sure. And don’t even get me started on your 2 year old! [kidding, kidding, sorry!] 

  • http://twitter.com/dpgj 最终冰器红豆

    Sometimes when I watch presentation by technies, I just wonder if they really know what they are doing at all. So many pointless movements.

    Regarding iOS, the 4-years-old user interface is aging and some fresh air is serious needed.

  • Anonymous

    > then computing just might not be your thing.

    Keep blaming the user, see how well that works for you.

  • Anonymous

    You missed the crack about the one button mouse and the computer shaped like a toilet seat.

    Wait, you mean it’s NOT 1999?!

  • http://twitter.com/boltofblue Jason

    Contender in the right corner…. doesn’t exist.

    Contender in the left corner …. almost on it’s 3rd generation…. maybe close to its 4th by the time Win8 rolls around.

    Apple has not drastically updated iOS interface since the beginning. To think they wont roll some OSX features into iPad in the next year would be ….. well, unwise to claim of “winning”.

    • Be

      No, no OSX features will be in iOS. They’re going the other way – rolling tablet into desktop, just like MS. As for ‘winning’, while I like the metro interface more than the dated iOS interface, there’s simply no competition when it comes to apps and games; iOS by a mile.

  • Dude

    I dream of a day when we can finally stop saying and seeing the word ‘slate’.

  • Brody

    What are you running windows 8 on? Is that some sort of demo tablet or what?

  • Guest

    It’s only an alpha build things can change within a years time. You guys just have to see at the point of what it can do for developers, and the technology that can be put on this system. You have the first OS that can use any language to program apps without a license required. MS is giving everyone the chance to build many apps in order for it to succeed in the market. Which is by far the smartest move. You guys can all hate the UI etc.. etc.. but in the long term it’s going to benefit what we do in our work, and at home. It’s going to shift us to be more innovative. It’s up the developers to make that happen not MS. They just built the structure so we can fiddle with it. 

    I’m sure by next year many devs will make amazing Metro UI customizations that won’t look anything like the start menu you are seeing now now. 
    It’s open right now so take advantage of making great apps for this system instead of complaining what it can’t do. You are practically getting a freebie.
    The thing with you guys, you all love to talk shit, but can’t even make a better OS. You think you know what’s better for the world when you can’t even change yourselves.

  • Steff

    Im an IOS User and yet the first WIN8 convinced me that it is more than a copy.

    A lot of you have missed the point of this tablets in general. You are NOT the target group. One target group is for example my mother (no mother jokes, okay?!) she isnt really into this technical stuff, she dont want to play anything and she doesnt like technical appereance in her living room. BUT – when she sees something in the TV and want to get more info she want to get a quick access to the internet, write a mail, make a note, watch her photoalbum..This is the purpose of those products..it is an addon..
    Another example is this: I am a 3D Designer and visit my customers with a tablet..why you ask? Because it is light, it isnt technical, it just shows what i have made without the need of starting up, no fragile movements on the trackpad..it is incredible fast and nice for exactly this purpose..no intend to show off..LOOK ove got a tablet..the point is – there are times and needs you just dont need extra functionality, yes – sometimes exactly those extra features lack of simplicity which is often needed.

    Just my opinion – and my very bad english :-D sorry for that