Microsoft explains why they scrapped the Start Menu in Windows 8

By Tom Warren, on 4th Oct 11 11:00 pm with 57 Comments

Windows 8 Start Screen

Microsoft detailed its Start Screen design for Windows 8 on Tuesday.

The company claims that the Start Menu doesn’t keep up with the modern pace that users are using their machines. “It affords limited customization, provides virtually no useful information, and offers only a small space for search results,” says Microsoft’s Alice Steinglass in a blog post published on Tuesday. “We’ve seen a growing interest in replacements for the Start menu (whether for touch, or mouse and keyboard).”

Microsoft has taken feedback from engineers, designers, developers, information workers and other power users to reimagine the role of Start in Windows 8. “The Start screen is not just a replacement for the Start menu—it is designed to be a great launcher and switcher of apps, a place that is alive with notifications, customizable, powerful, and efficient,” says Steinglass. Microsoft found that average PCs are cluttered with an array of system notifications, long lists of folders on the Start Menu and shortcuts. Microsoft’s new Start Screen provides a larger space with more connectivity and a better interface to launch and interact with apps.

“The Windows 7 Start menu is just a simple flat list,” says Steinglass. “But, as people collect more and more apps, the ability to organize and group apps together becomes more important.” Microsoft’s new Start Screen design allows users to file apps into groups. The groups can contain a number of live tiles that are stored neatly in their own section.

Microsoft’s Start Screen improvements also extend to the search experience. “The Start menu in Windows 7 can’t scale to the results,” says Steinglass. “if you are looking for a Control Panel option with the word “input”, the Start menu only returns the first 3 results in each category.” This lack of powerful search led Microsoft to integrate a fully fledged search in the Start Screen. Users can now type on the Start Screen and instantly search through different parts of the operating system or applications.

Windows 8 Search

“The Windows 8, the Start screen is not just a replacement for the Windows 7 Start menu but a bringing together of several different ways of navigating your machine,” says Steinglass. “The new experience offers a way to more efficiently launch apps, stay connected to the most relevant information from apps, and find the things you care about.”

  • http://twitter.com/kid_jenius Daniel Paulino

    when i first read the headline i thought it meant microsoft was totally scrapping the metro ui start screen.. i’m so silly..

    • http://twitter.com/Pieter_Kroon Pieter Kroon

      I thought the same thing, haha :)

  • Anonymous

    I hope that there are some improvements for the millions who will be installing Win8 on a computer without a touchscreen….Or at least leave that registry key that removes all of the metro features.

    The metro features just don’t work well with kb/m (I’ve been using a laptop with Win8 on it since the developer release for a music player and IE9 test machine at work).  I’m sure they’ll be fantastic on a tablet and can’t wait to try that out tough.

    • http://www.rwalrond.com RWalrond

      I’m curious what doesn’t work well for you? So far the only real difference when using desktop style applications is that the start menu has changed. All the old keyboard shortcuts for switching and closing applications all still work the same. So I don’t get this blanket statement that people are making about the interface not working well with mouse and keyboard, so please explain your statement.

    • Anonymous

      You can’t easily scroll in the Start Screen with a mouse, but you can with a single finger. You can’t make the charms come up with your mouse, but you can with your hand. You can’t pan out to view all of your apps because you don’t have gesture support. While I’m sure that all of these will eventually be fixed, it makes it feel really clunky, and I say this as a huge Windows 8 fan. Touch and mouse need to be roughly equivalent.

      The Start Menu not being there is pretty weird and frustrating. It isn’t as bad on my Win8 test machine because I don’t have my work applications installed on it. I really don’t want a notepad tile or a SQL Profiler tile or a SQL server configurations tile. It doesn’t make any sense, but if I don’t have a start menu, I can’t find it and launch it in less than 2 seconds. That is a productivity killer. They need both a start menu and a start screen, each serving its own purpose.

    • Emi Cyberschreiber

      If scroll wheel isn’t easy enough for you? i don’t know what else can be easier….

      and you can make charms appear with your mouse. lower left corner and you make it appear… wow. seriously. its in the same place old start button was.

      If you middle click on apps, you will get the ball thing like in websites… so you can use your mouse to scroll through apps not using scroll bars.

      “but if I don’t have a start menu, I can’t find it and launch it in less than 2 seconds” obviously because you know how it works and where stuff is.

      i have used dev preview as my main OS. and guess what? it works the same and better. same since i don’t see it much if i use or desktop icons or taskbar. but now i know where some tiles are, so i press win key and immediately click in the tile. also if i use search i open it in less than 1 second since you don’t have to wait for any animation to load, do it immediately from win key to type to enter and you will see you launch in less than 2 seconds.

      so your “a productivity killer” its nothing more than you arent used to it. like alot werent used to new windows vista/7 start menu.
      because it works better for me after couple days using it, then i found out about more stuff. and it got better. and now after 3 weeks i can say it works so much better than old start menu. why? because now Im used to it.

    • Anonymous

      @xEmilyTheStrangex:disqus 

      Flicking with the mouse like you do with your figure is what everyone initially tries to do. It’s natural and can be extremely fast when scrolling through 6+ panes of Tiles. The scroll wheel is fine, but slow and not natural. I think most people agree on this point and I would be shocked if they didn’t add this.

      Yes, charms appear where the old start menu was, but this conversation was referring to the metro Start Screen.

      Tiles can be very fast for commonly or very commonly used applications or metro apps. There are a lot of programs that heavy PC users use occasionally or rarely. What are their options? Create hundreds of tiles that they’ll have to navigate through every time they’re looking for any app? Do they have to physically type and spell out the program name just to find it?

    • http://www.rwalrond.com RWalrond

      I’m sorry but to me these complaints to not warrant the blanket statement you made in your first post. As someone else already pointed out, you can bring up the charms by moving your mouse to the bottom left (where the start menu is) I will agree it will take getting used too because chances are you will click instead of hover at first.
      In terms of scrolling the start screen, if the scroll wheel doesn’t work for you, if you move your mouse to the bottom of the screen you can use the scroll bar to quickly scroll from right to left.
      You can easily view your running Apps by using the alt-tab keyboard shortcut, just like many Windows versions before it.
      In terms of configuration of your start screen, I’m sure Microsoft has some enhancements coming, the developer preview doesn’t even have all the features they showed at the BUILD conference. Oh and BTW you can still pin your most frequently used applications to the task bar like you can in Windows 7.

    • http://www.rwalrond.com RWalrond

      @IsaacBarrett:disqus To address your second post, I can understand some of the concerns about the many tools you may use day to day, but having developed on Windows for over 15 years I have yet to make any valuable use of the start menu. I always end up either putting my files on the desktop, pinning them to the start menue or pinning them to the task bar. Having to drill into levels on the stat menu is way slower. The start screen gives me the ability to have tiles that can double as quick glanceable information. For example, If I want to know the status of one of my web servers I could build an App that displays the status on a live tile, along with the number of jobs another processing server may be working on. I now no longer have to launch my service monitoring software if I can get this info at a quick glance.
      The challenge we all face is that we must also approach this change as an opportunity to re-think how we use Windows, as a developer I must rethink the kind of applications I build for Windows just like I had to do when I started developing for Windows phone 7. If we had continued to be stuck in our old ways we would still be runing a version of DOS and you would be typing your comments on a BBS over a 14.4k modem.

      ^Z

    • Emi Cyberschreiber

      come on, read your message! “You can’t make the charms come up with your mouse, but you can with your hand”

      i told you that you can. because if you read and watched more about it. you would see Sam Moreau, explained that. why is different touch and mouse. they made test and they saw how people with mouse look for corners. yeah the right charm looks nice, but what if you have an app there, next to the right side of the screen like i have right now. when you go to left you will resize it. and how are you going to do to snap a windows to the right if everytime you try to snap then you accidentally make appear the charm?

      and again, scrolling fast…  but did you read the blog post or not? “Of course, there are things we’re still working on, that aren’t yet finished in the Developer Preview. For example, we know there are bugs in interacting at high speed with the scroll wheel on the mouse, and we’re working on fixing these. ”

      and i still don’t understand how scroll wheel can be slow… seriously. wheel up – right, wheel down – left.

      and stop that comparison like that about new start screen vs old start menu. why? because its silly.
      you can apply the exact same you said about the old start menu and you will see folders and folders.

      and do you know there is an apps section?? because you seem not to know. yeah you can find ALL your apps there.

      But how do you find that stuff you are talking about in old start menu? or it magically appears when you close your eyes and you imagine the app? you have to look for it. if you don’t know the name you have to go to all programs and then look for the folder, and be thankful it has the program name, because sometimes they use the company name so it wont appear as you think.
      BUT ITS THE SAME! you have to go and look for it, if you dont know the name. the difference its now you don’t have to deal with alot of folders.
      hopefully developers will make it nice like they ask you “do you want a desktop icon?” and you say yes or no, so it can be “do you want a tile” or whatever.
      or they just wont add uninstallers and such. anyway its easy to UNPIN them, all that its easy to unpin.

      so cheap excuses.
      because just like windows phone. i don’t have to have all apps i use in my start screen. i don’t have to scroll down and down and down and down. no they are in their app section. i can access them from there.
      so please, don’t know how to use something don’t say it isn’t efficient. its ok you don’t like it, but if you haven’t used it enough… then or you should use it more and see it by yourself or don’t talk about it. it works for me, it should work for everyone. if they decide not to care about it, or they just want to think it sucks and it doesn’t work efficiently. well… thats not my problem. there is always windows 7 for everyone.

    • Aleksandar Toplek

      How do you turn your computer off without “charms”? I thought that that was the only way… :S

    • Anonymous

      how about just typing notepad or SQL in search. Way more e

    • Anonymous

      @xEmilyTheStrangex:disqus 

      The scroll wheel does not work for me because I do not have a scroll wheel on my laptop.  The only want to navigate the Metro Start Screen is by manually clicking on the scroll bar and moving it.

    • http://twitter.com/runbmp Patrick Olson

      I’d have to say this will be the first iteration of windows I won’t upgrade too right away. I like the metro interface however for a mouse a keyboard setup it doesn’t work for me. I think MS should of eliminated the desktop entirely and strictly kept the metro interface if that’s the direction their taking.

      Hopefully someone will have find a way to disable it entirely, in the mean time I’ll stay on Win7. In fact this is the first time I’ve even considered switching over linux.

      Maybe this is a window of opportunity for other OS platforms to scoop up the enthusiast crowd on the windows platform?

  • Anonymous

    I have to give it to them that they are sort of right. While I do use the Start Menu for the obscure app I haven’t made a shortcut to, I have found it difficult to customize a simple neat place for my normal often used shortcuts. I don’t like to use the Desktop since I like to keep it clean, the Quick Launch from past windows versions has gotten way to big and unusable with my vast installed program list, 7Stack works for a small part, but is often a tad slow on its first access. There are other 3rd party ways to arrange stuff, but I believe Microsoft’s Metro theme might work out in the long run. Sure it may take a little time to get used to, but as long as we have a way to organize, still have a list access to the entire installed program list, and it allows good customization without making things feel cluttered, it might work out to be on hell of a welcome change. It like Windows Phone, will take some time, future improvements, and overall use to get familiar and comfortable with the new design.

  • Emi Cyberschreiber

    The blog entry is amazing.

    if people really read it they would notice how alot of their questions are answered. if people just dont want to understand the bright idea behind Metio UI, or they dont want to even try it but still go and say it sucks… oh god.

    like i have mention before, my only hopes its they remové completely start menu. they seem to anyways. so a registry hack wont make it appear.

    people complaining about it, saying how it isnt for keyboard and mouse… i really wonder how they have survived Windows for along time. because old start menu wasn’t any better.
    i can accept people not liking tiles and metro UI for the UI like people wont like Windows Phone or new Xbos dashboard. but its stupid to say it sucks, and it doesn’t work for keyboard and mouse just because they download a DEVELOPER PREVIEW and it doesn’t work perfectly. of course some dont even take more tan 3 minutes and say it sucks.
    but seriously… when someone comes with a valid reason why old start menu is better than new start screen, even in this dev preview release… i will then say “ok let it has an option for people to keep using their beloved old start menu” but without it i will just say “thats a cheap reason from the mother monkey ass” why? because all their “reasons” are already in new start menu, or simply are silly enough to call it “a reason”.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/ZephyrnixLive Lydell Washington

      That’s the power of Tom Warren baby.

    • Anonymous

      I actually prefer the Start Menu in a lot of ways but I’d like to see both there somehow. I find the Start Menu to be more efficient and require less work to access various things. I’m not totally opposed to the Start Screen and I’ll give it time.

  • Guest

    “Microsoft’s new Start Screen provides a larger space with more connectivity and a better interface to launch and interact with apps.”

    I imagine you do need a larger space (multiple screen scrolls) to fit all your applications in, now that each app is represented as a tile?

    I just bought my first Mac (ever) 3 few weeks ago. And in comparison, I prefer Apple’s implementation (which I think, would work well for a Desktop/Tablet scenario):

    Dashboard+gadgets = live tiles-eque live updates
    Launchpad = start screen
    Full screen Apps + mission control = full screen metro apps and switching between them

    Personally, I’m a little underwhelmed, now that the initial excitement about Win8′s metro start has subsided. The DevPrev definitely has a lot of rough edges. And I’m still not accustomed to having my entire screen change whenever I need to launch an app, or to access something that is usually found in the start menu (Computer, Control panel, Network, Administrative Tools). Nor am I sold on the integration of Metro and classic desktop.

    Metro (full screen change) -> Control Panel (full screen change) -> More settings -> screen change back to classic desktop.

    I also noticed that after using the DP for a while now, I’m spending more time away from the start screen by pinning programs to the classic task bar and creating desktop shortcuts

  • http://twitter.com/oolong2 oolong2

    The problem with the Metro start menu is that there is a BIG mental block for people who are used to the current start menu.
     
    The start menu has been iconic for windows ever since Windows 95.  So that’s over 16 YEARS of indoctrination for people relying on a list of programs available on the bottom left side of their screen.  If we were transitioning from Windows 3.11 to Windows 8 then this would be a welcome change, but people have now been programed by the current start menu…
     
    In using Windows 8 I can see how the Metro start menu is better than the old one.  The biggest hurtle is getting used to it…   I’m not used to hitting “start” and having my whole screen change.  I’m not used to typing to get to the program I need.  Although I can see how it is much faster. 
     
    With a few usability improvements the Metro way will definately change computing for the better.
     
    So the REAL question is even if something is theoretically “better”, can Microsoft afford to completely change what people are used to without facing serious reprocussions?
     
    This SAME question is on the development side where they decided to change the development approach for creating Metro applications and have started pushing HTML5 and Javascript down everyone’s throats as if app developers are the same as web site developers…

    Those two things are probably the biggest weaknesses in Microsoft’s strategy with Windows 8.     I hope they do something about it between now and before it is released….

    • Emi Cyberschreiber

      http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1725/win8-platform-and-tools.jpg

      as you see, they can develop in whatever language you see from there. HTML5 and JS are only ways for developers to develop. its a new choice, not a requirement.

      and people think XP start menu is better than Vista/7 one. as some people will not like windows 8 one. but should Microsoft stop trying to innovate with these people? if they don’t want to upgrade it shouldn’t matter, like you say, if you they don’t want to change they wont. Microsoft cant force them. if they don’t like change they can go to OSX which really doesn’t change much at all, and be happy with grey and almost no customization.

      the world wont stop for people who don’t want to change. and im not talking about windows 8. in every thing of this world, there will be people who will like it and others dont. and if they don’t want to change what they think, you or Microsoft or anyone cant do anything about it. but you cant stop from that people.
      some people don’t like kinect and some do… so Microsoft has to make people like it? well they cant. but with time people will see its not as bad as they think and they might get one. but Microsoft don’t have to stop innovating, or also (in kinect case) game companys shouldn’t stop trying to make a kinect game only because some people wont like it.

      welcome to the world, thats how it works :)

      oh and i have used Windows since 3.1 days. so i know about all windows changes.

    • http://twitter.com/oolong2 oolong2

      1. I’m not just talking about the language….   There are far more issues than what is presented on that slide. 

      Develop any large app with any complexity that you wish to port across all of Microsoft’s products and you’re faced with issues of sharing libraries between Phone, Windows 8, Desktop, and previous versions of Windows.

      Microsoft is needless creating roadblocks between their own products.  The same issue doesn’t exist between phone and tablet on Android/iOS.

      2. Of course Microsoft should innovate, but there is a differince between innovation and reality. 

      The bottom line is Microsoft didn’t get this far by NOT maintaining backwards compatability.   They are already taking a big risk with software compatability by adopting ARM and now they are taking another big risk by not offering “people” compatability as backward as they might be ;-)

      Bill Buxton from Microsoft Research made a great statement last year that “the biggest part of user interface design is respecting the talents that people already have.” 

      This is the only reason why we still have QWERTY keyboards on all computers and now most smartphones and touch screens…  It is a innefficient design that is only made efficient by the fact that everyone knows how to use it.

      THAT is reality.

    • Guest

      @twitter-14086393:disqus , I agree. 

      I think the word “innovation” has been abused too much recently. 
      Just because something is “innovative” does not make it better. 

      I would prefer “Improve” over “Innovate” any day, where the main objective isn’t to come up with something new (for the sake of new), but to further improve the product for the ease/experience/productivity of the customers/users.

    • Anonymous

      You may need to watch the build sessions because it is very easy to port apps between phone, Windows, and Xbox. It is actually much easier to port across platforms in Windows 8 than it is now.
      They did maintain full backwards compatibility so I am not sure what you are worried about there.
      If a developer wants to only make one version of a program that will work on XP and up they can still develop a desktop version.

    • http://twitter.com/oolong2 oolong2

      @ColPanic:disqus 

      I’m not talking about copying and pasting code and changing “using” statements.  Which only works for the most simple applications.   I’m talking about how does a developer or business take a library of  DLLs they’ve built up in various Silverlight or XNA projects they were using for Windows Phone 7 and reference it for the same or similar app on Windows 8 Metro?

      Microsoft were working towards binary compatability in Silverlight, Windows, XNA, etc. however it seems they’ve thrown that whole idea out the window. 

      Java on Android may be slower but at least you have a lot more reuse…

    • Guest

      I agree with most of what you said about Metro and user shock.

      On the dev side though, they’re pushing HTML5 and Javascript because they know they have lost developer loyalty for W32. It’s really a belated admission of a defeat that occurred a long time ago.  Apps sell OS platforms. They always have. If MS didn’t open up to embrace HTML5 and JS, they were ultimately going to lose their position as dominant OS. They’re still likely to. But at least now they have a chance to win.

    • http://twitter.com/oolong2 oolong2

      I certainly like the idea behind WinRT I just don’t get why they’re not supporting binary compatability for Silverlight, WPF, and XNA.  If they are maintaining the same.net and xaml  structures why can’t Silverlight and WPF sit on top of WinRT and the IL simply get compiled to WinRT compatable code when running on Windows 8?

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6G3ZZJCHOLYP3S5CRCIHQ7WDSE MVIM

      I wouldn’t say that. I think the last 5 years have led a huge drive to the web (or should I say “to the cloud!”). Many services have shifted from desktop (read: Win32) applications to websites and mobile applications. Driving most of these new applications on the client/UI side are HTML and JavaScript. By allowing developers to use those same tools to build for Windows 8, they are effectively turning hundreds of thousands of web developers who may have never written a line of Win32 code in their life into Windows 8 developers simply by supporting the same languages. By continuing to support C# simultaneously, they aren’t abandoning their already-committed devs either. Seems like a win-win for Microsoft.

    • http://twitter.com/oolong2 oolong2

      What you say about applications shifting to the web is certainly true.  That said I think there is a completely different mindset in creating a website vs. an application.

      I think allowing web developers access to the app world is a good idea.  I don’t think it’s a good idea to make it a primary focus.   Their priorities are just reversed.

      There have been many attempts to use HTML as a development environment for windows and mobile applications (HTAs, web widgets, mozilla prism, etc).  They all failed…

  • Guest

    MS could put most of the angst aside by simply allowing users to select between Metro or Desktop, either at install or run time. They say it’s not a mode, but that’s what it feel like in the DP: two different ones. For me, I’d probably spend more time in desktop mode, where I’d like the option of classic start for sure, and metro start as an option. But I’d like both to be implemented like the W7 start (i.e. taskbar, click orb, non-full screen panel opens, and I either get classic or Metro depending on what I asked for). A lot of people want ultra clean desktops. They don’t want a wall of icons. OS X is giving people a choice and that’s wise. Microsoft absolutely needs to listen to feedback before they do a WPF and find that nobody buys in. The risk for them here is huge. Another Vista-type reaction and OS X is going to make even bigger inroads into the enterprise.

  • Anonymous

    I always love how Microsoft works in a democratic way by listening to their consumers and implementing ideas.

    • Anonymous

      And yet people still complain that MS needs to listen to feedback and give consumers what they want.  They do, it just doesn’t happen to be what that individual wants.

    • Anonymous

      Agreed

    • Anonymous

      they have such a large install base that they can’t please everyone.

  • Anonymous

    The metro Start Screen is great for apps and great for touch, but it simply cannot replace the Start Menu. Take a look in the start menu at any large application (i.e. Visual Studio, SQL Server, Adobe, StarCraft 2). How many sub-applications do you have for one application? For applications like StarCraft, you have stuff like Map Editors and for applications like SQL Server you have Profiler, Configurations, and Business Intelligence. You would never create titles out of all of these sub-applications. There are in folder and they are really easy to find, but in the new Start Screen, you either have to create huge tiles for them or you have to do a search and type in the name, which you may or may not know.

    Everything that I would create tiles for is stuff that I use frequently. Same with the taskbar. The Start Menu is the only way to find the application that I use infrequently.

    Start Screen = Great and Awesome
    Start Screen != Start Menu

    • Anonymous

      If they keep the start menu then when will developers start to move away from the clutter.  The map editor could be in a launcher or integrated in the client rather than being a separate program.  They have to get people to start developing for the direction Windows is headed.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not sure what you mean by a “launcher”.   If they re-engineered the Start Menu into a better launcher, I’d be fine that.

      Take Visual Studio 2010 for example… They have 23 different sub-applications. There is no freaking way you would make them all into tiles, and there is no way that you can know the names of all of them to search for it. In the Start Menu, you can find and start any of these in less than 5 seconds. There is no way to do this in the Start Screen. This doesn’t even bring up the fact that if you’re working in one or more applications and you want to open a small application like calculator or notepad, you have to leave the screen to a completely different UI just to open it. Nobody is going to want calculator as a tile, so now you have to do a search and physically type in the name of the application. This doesn’t make any sense.

      The Start Menu is great for quickly starting commonly used applications, but it is just as bad as the pinning items to the taskbar for infrequently used programs.

    • http://twitter.com/laserfloyd Lewis McCrary

      I do understand what you’re saying but you have to think for a minute.  Are you actually going to Start>Programs>Program Name>Sub Program1, Sub Program2, Sub Program3 every single time you need to run one of them?  That’s very inefficient if you ask me.  You put shortcuts on your desktop to access things faster.  I use start menu for rarely used things  Put your most commonly used applications on your start screen.  If you use all 23 sub apps of a program, while that’s a lot of tiles, it is an option.

      It’s early in preview so lets wait and see what sort of tweaks and additional short cuts will come as a result of the feedback.  I’m sure you’re not alone!

    • xledger

      @twitter-5527292:disqus 
      It’s precisely that it’s in early preview, that we should NOT just “wait and see”.
      Instead, we should send our opinions and feedback to Microsoft, so they can make an INFORMED decision. 

      Any changes (or lack-off) will win some and lose some. I think it’s fairly straight forward: Win as many people as possible. And one way to find out what the majority wants is via feedback. If you like a feature, tell Microsoft. If you dislike a feature, tell Microsoft. 

      Otherwise, you’re just acting like my ex-girlfriend: I’m angry at you, but I’m not telling you why. :s

    • Anonymous

      By launcher I meant a StarCraft launcher.   One exe or appx that you launch that allows you to choose what you want, like Multiplayer, Map Editor, etc.  if they needed them to be separate programs.  I have a feeling they are working to merge a lot of the clutter of Visual Studio into one single program. 

      There is an easy way to find things in the start menu.  Open the start screen and type what you want,  just as you would in the search field of the start menu.

      Programs like calculator I do see being a problem because it doesn’t need to be full screen and it does take away from the metro UI if it just throws you into the desktop mode, but at the same time, they have probably thought of a way to handle this.  This is still an early dev preview so they don’t have everything ironed out or available, but they have done well with Windows Phone so we just have to wait to see what they bring to beta before we can make those assumptions.

    • Anonymous

      how about typing visual studio in search. I bet all the programs will appear in the list that is generated.

    • Anonymous

      Applications such as the ones from Adobe Suite or Microsoft Office will have a HUB.

  • http://twitter.com/laserfloyd Lewis McCrary

    Makes sense to me to think of the Start Screen as one giant start menu where you launch into your applications.  Well said.

  • Blake

    Nooo! The start menu was the only thing separating us from the Mac users! Now we are no better!! :( MICROSOFT! :(

    • Gabriel

      Everyone has been opposed to a ribbon, which in my opinion could be used to store frequently used applications for quick access. Isn’t the ribbon another form of a dashboard, different in appearance?

  • Anonymous

    They Need To Create A “Child Program” Tiles Checkbox Under Each Program Group..Then You Could Show/Hide Each Tile Under That Particular Group

  • Shiro

    Personally, I thought the Start Menu was getting way too cluttered.  If you have too many applications, too many drop downs, it was a freaking mess.

  • Anonymous

    more improvement  

  • Guest

    I can live with Metro start if I can put my own wallpaper as the background and have control about where the tiles sit.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah they said you will have those controls.

      People (not you) freaking out after two minutes of DP usage should calm down.

  • John M Cary

    Stringlass doesn’t mention the average Joe as a group from which they solicited feedback. Many think these changes are geared towards consumers. I wonder how they will respond. I would think this is a large portion using legacy hardware.

  • Guest

    The user should have the possibility to choose between the “new” or the “old” “Start Menu”! That’s it!

  • Anonymous

    People would really love to have an option to switch between Metro start menu and our old&stylish Windows 7 start menu, (at least Windows 8 for desktops).

    Nice improvements to the search experience by the way.

  • Richard Raseley

    Ugh, the Metro style start menu on non-touch screens is an absolute mess. They need to re-think their inclusion of it as the default option in non-touch systems.

  • Phil

    With some registry hacks, you can still bring back the old Start Menu on Desktop mode.  I’m sure MS will provide us with a way to “still” use it when in Desktop mode.

    It is still there.  It is just hard to get to it … for now. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/vineetchawla Vineet Chawla
  • Abiddine

    Start Menu = Old, Inefficient, Time consuming, and Slow. In other words, “Ultimate Bullshit”

    In 10 years, when microsoft replaces start screen with something else, people will go beserk just like today.