Steve Jobs: Microsoft couldn’t copy the Mac well, they just didn’t get it

By Tom Warren, on 24th Oct 11 12:41 pm with 186 Comments

Steve Jobs thoughts on Microsoft from his official biography reveal that he felt Google and Microsoft were similar.

Speaking to Walter Isaacson in a series of over 40 interviews, Jobs said “Microsoft and Google have a lot in common.” He described Microsoft’s lack of humanity and labeled Microsoft as a pure technology company.

“They just didn’t get it, even when they saw the Mac they couldn’t even copy it well. How dumb do you have to be to not see it, once you see it you know, but Google is the same way. They just don’t get it.”

Jobs also spoke about Gates in one of his interviews, describing him as wealthy but questioning whether that was his aim. “Bill ended up the wealthiest guy around, and if that was his goal then he achieved it,” explained Jobs. “Its never been my goal and I even wonder in the end if it was really his goal, I dunno.” Jobs also thought Bill Gates was “unimaginative and has never invented anything.” Jobs also claimed that Gates “just shamelessly ripped off other people’s ideas.”

The latest views of Jobs come just days after it was revealed he also described Microsoft as “irrelevant” and felt that the company wouldn’t change as long as Steve Ballmer was in charge. Steve Jobs, Apple co-founder and former CEO, passed away on October 5, aged just 56. Steve Ballmer extended his condolences to Jobs’ friends and family at the time of his death. In a statement, Ballmer described Jobs as a “true visionary.” Bill Gates was also amongst the first to comment on his death. In a statement, Gates said he would “miss Steve immensely” after explaining the “profound impact Steve has had.”

  • Anonymous

    This is just ridiculous. I respect the guy but I am starting to feel that if I read the biography, I might hate him. 

    • http://davepermen.net davepermen

      which is what most people should have done right along. he got so much respect and honour for stuff he never really did. he mostly was an ass, an ego, and not cooperative in any way.

      i respect him for the few good things that grew out of his world, but other than that, he was mostly no better than the ones he bitches on, and much worse in his arrogance and ignorance.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Boyd/576666141 Jason Boyd

      Most Apple fanatics always forget that it was Steve’s arrogance that almost ran Apple into the ground during the 90′s. It was MSFT that loaned it the money to turn itself around.  What Steve never understood is that Windows was never trying to ‘copy’ Mac. 

    • Test1ngi23

      Yeah if you conveniently ignore the fact that Steve didn’t even work for Apple for half of the 80′s and most of the 90′s.

    • Guest

      And the reason such an awesome “visionary” was kicked out by board is?

    • Anonymous

      There was no loan. It was a payoff so that Apple would not sue them over stealing Quicktime.

    • Anonymous

      Also Apple was not in that big of trouble. They did have $3 billion in cash, just no huge vision.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.bundgaard Thomas Bundgaard

      @veggiedude:disqus 

      Source? I’m pretty sure, that MS paid Apple to make IE the default browser and to avoid anti-trust lawsuits, since Apple was (and is) still the only company who is any sort of competitor.

    • Graham Williams

      This is the least informed thing I’ve read today. In the 90s Steve worked for NeXT and owned Pixar. He was ousted from Apple in the mid-80s. It was John Scully and Gil Amelio that nearly killed Apple. After Amelio brought Jobs back in 97 things started to look up. 

      In short: you couldn’t be more wrong.

    • Guest

        Test1ngi23

      Very true. He’d already screwed up Apple by then and had gone on to found and then run Next into the ground

    • Ryan

      oh and what was Steve’s arrogance again? The fact his ideas were good and his partner’s weren’t, and he proved it?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Boyd/576666141 Jason Boyd

      Graham, NeXT was bought by Apple in 1996, Amelio didn’t bring Jobs back, the Board did. They ousted Amelio and then made Jobs de-facto chief. 

      Microsoft invested $150 million in Apple after Amelio was ousted, while Jobs was the de-facto chief. it was not a payoff or an attempt to avoid a lawsuit. Without Microsoft this whole iRevolution of Apple’s would have never happened.

    • Anonymous

      I was sad to see Steve go because I knew it was the end of an era in computer history.  However, I always knew he was an egotistical ass hole.  Tom, you can probably stop posting his quotes now.  They can all be summed up with “I’m the greatest, smartest, best person ever and everyone else is either dumber than me or just copies me.”

    • Anonymous

      That guy puts Argentinian ego to shame…   his cancer, more than a “natural cause” seem to be nature’s ways of cleancing the earth

    • Anonymous

      Ok come on now.  It’s fine to post what you thought of a person when they were alive.  But don’t celebrate cancer killing them.  I try not to be one of those self-righteous hippies who love to get offended at everything, but at the same time let’s try to keep some decency.

    • Anonymous

      @AaronDotNET:disqus 
      Honestly, I’m not celebrating it.  And I think it’s really sad that 8 billion dollars in his bank account didn’t help him on the fight.

      But I am saying that the guy was an erogant prick before, and even after he died he keeps at it, even worse for that matter, sort of like saying “if you’re reading this (his authobiography) it’s because I’m dead, so screw you all, and you can’t say anything back to me”

      I don’t praice that he died, but I also don’t respect the man.

    • RALPH POLLOCK

      ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPELL “CLEANCING”, I MIGHT TAKE YOUR VIEWPOINT SERIOUSLY.

    • Me

      Where did that Ralph guy come from lol… Anyways @Mestiphal money doesn’t help at all if there’s no cure…I’m not sure what stage cancer he was in but if it was a later stage nothing could be done…I agree that the guy was a dick tho..all the ppl that ever photographed him hated him cuz of the way he behaved lol

    • Anonymous

      Did you real Paul Allens book? Bill Gates was aslo a egotistical ass hole.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.bundgaard Thomas Bundgaard

      You have to be in order to be CEO at companies like MS, Apple etc. You don’t get to be boss, if you’re a nice guy.

      That being said, if the quotes are real, he was probably an even bigger prick than I thought. It’s sad that the last memory of him is going to be that book.

    • Anonymous

      No I have not read his book, but sure, Gates probably was egotistical as well.  However, I think perspective matters, and Jobs is orders of magnitude worse than Gates.  Also, Gates seems to have at least matured.  He was able to let go and hand the company off so he could retire to his charity work. You don’t hear ass hole comments from him.  Jobs, on the other hand, never seemed to grow up.  He couldn’t let go of Apple until the very end, and even after death we are hearing more ass hole remarks from him.  Yet Gates and Ballmer still praised him.  Now that’s class.

    • asker

      From what I can see, most opinions here are posted without reading any books.

    • Anonymous

      Unfortunately this nothing new. The love affair that people and the media seem to have for iOS somehow blinded most to Jobs true colors. Although, he did tone it down a few notches in recent years.

      There is plenty of youtube videos showing exactly this type of behavior and then some, and even more stories describing the underhanded things he’s done throughout his career. He was an asshole and an egomaniac of the highest order. These little tidbits are just the tip of the iceberg.

      But I do give him credit for putting Apple where it is today.

    • Guest

      Why do you think Apple PR was so careful to limit his exposure to mostly product releases, where he excelled?

    • OMG55

      I won’t be wasting my money on a Biography or a movie if on is made. I’ve heard enough recently and from the past. He didn’t have a problem taking 150M from Bill Gates when Apple was in financial trouble. Besides if MS didn’t get it right, how come more computers are sold running windows than Mac??? Did he really mean I didn’t get it right??? Let’s face it, MS got the PC right and missed on the cell phone until now according to some people. So everyone learn’s from their past mistakes. Steve missed on the PC and hit on the cell phone/pad…but even then, he took someones else’s idea and executed it better at the time; now others are executing and profiting (Example: Android is the top selling mobile device for now)

    • Guest

      Well, than according to Mr. Jobs you’re dumb because you can’t see.

    • Abiddine

      Yeah, I know! When microsoft copies, they blame it. When it doesn’t, they blame it. Look at mac’s market shate, 6%!!!!!. Microsoft need not to copy that.

    • Anonymous

      Worldwide it is 6% and probably because (according to Microsoft)  Windows is copied illegally all the time in China and other places. The Mac market share in the US is at 13%. 

      For PC’s over $1000, Mac has 91% market share.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.bundgaard Thomas Bundgaard

      One could argue that it’s because, you don’t need to pay 1000$ to get a good PC :)

    • Guest

      LOl. All the shill apologist talking points.

    • Entropyrexor

      13% of what? Yuppies and college kids in the “home computing” market!? Get a grip! Apple has < 0.001% of the market that actually matters these days – the server market. In other words, you're an idiot if you drop $2000 on a "home computer" or laptop to surf the web, check emails, and write Word docs. Lol! When will you mactards ever learn!

    • Rinlle

      why doesnt he speak ill of other OS’s like webOS? It seems to me he only targets OS’s that out-maneuvered Apple & took majority marketshare like Windows & Android.

      He isn’t wise in his words, he’s just jealous.

    • Anonymous

      ignore steve he is not worth talking…

    • Ryan

      why because he speaks the truth? 

    • Anonymous

      no because he is being immature. Do you think anyone else engages in this kind of behavior other than Steve Jobs (constantly blaming and understating competitors)

      Even in his famous Stanford Commencement Speech 2005 he made a pass at Windows. This kind of behavior is just not expected from a person of his stature.

  • http://twitter.com/datisdesign Farshad Zolfaghari

    and that’s why windows has 90% of all users ! :D

  • http://twitter.com/ParkerReno Parker Ciambrone

    Ugh, my don’t speak ill of the dead policy is not easy to maintain at this time.

    • Anonymous

      As far as I am concerned, their lingering words are fair game.

  • Adam

    Their meeting was in Jobs’s conference room, where Gates found himself surrounded by ten Apple employees who were eager to watch their boss assail him. Jobs didn’t disappoint his troops. “You’re ripping us off!” he shouted. “I trusted you, and now you’re stealing from us!” Gates just sat there coolly, looking Steve in the eye, before hurling back, in his squeaky voice, what became a classic zinger. “Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”source microsoft news

    • Anonymous

      Bill Gates was like the Iceman when in business. He created the worlds first exclusive software company, proving to all software developers that it is possible in the hardware exclusive tech environment of that era. Steve Jobs is the narrow one(in response to his criticism of Gates) as he thought that you cannot be a software provider only. Steve Jobs gave tech a consumerist aura, an aura of lifestyle that tried to set it apart from the cold and clinical nature of tech. 

      Decades later after that meeting, MS is a serious software service company offering a broad portfolio of products and services while Apple is a slave to fickle consumerism. In that sense it is Microsoft that it is future proof, because its offer is abstract that does away with the fabrication of redundant hardware(excepting the Xbox of course and trivial peripherals).

    • Mark King

      Apple only make consumer products – products we can see – macbook/iPod/iPhone.

      Even if Windows/Office were to fail and disappear the MS server products (and now cloud products like Azure) would mean it would still survive.

      The smartest product Apple make is the one that lets people use their mac hardware to run Windows. Steve must have loved that!

  • Anonymous

    ok wait.. did he actually have anything good to say about anyone or anything in this book???

    • Anonymous

      No, because in his view everyone else is either dumber than him or just copies off his great work.

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, i am glad they didn’t copy the Mac, but i guess Steve didn’t get it that Microsoft never wanted to copy Apple. Perhaps they wanted to take a few ideas which most if not all ideas Microsoft had previously shown it before Apple even implemented it. 

    • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

      I guess you’ve never seen Windows 95.

    • Anonymous

      Even shortcuts was copied from the Mac’s alias feature.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.bundgaard Thomas Bundgaard

      And Mac’s was copied from UNIX – what’s your point?

    • Anonymous

      when there is a useful feature, customers expect a company to implement it. All companies do this, including apple. You put in features your customers want and usually do it a little different from the competition. If this didn’t happen, we would all still be using mosaic as a browser.

    • Anonymous

      Hello? Where did aero come from? 

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.bundgaard Thomas Bundgaard

      Hello? Could you elaborate, or are you just spewing non-sense, like the rest of your posts?

    • Guest

      MS

  • aidan taylor

    thats why 80% of mac users have windows installed!

    • Test1ngi23

      Source?

    • Test1ngi23

      Sorry guys. I forgot. This is WinRumors. Facts aren’t needed here.

    • Anonymous

      leave troll.

    • http://twitter.com/SCGreyWolf GreyWolf

      And you refute this with a lack of facts?

    • Guest

      A blanket generalization from a moron.

    • OMG55

      I see you’re just like your leader (Steve). you’re saying we don’t use facts here….Condeming the lot for what a few say???? On his way out, Steve did the same thing….ask his biographer who is supplying all of the quotes recently. Can you dispute MS helping Apple out financially….isn’t that a fact?????

    • Anonymous

      “Speaking to Walter Isaacson in a series of over 40 interviews, Jobs said “Microsoft and Google have a lot in common.” He described Microsoft’s lack of humanity and labeled Microsoft as a pure technology company” – lack of reading comprehension much?

    • msb2ncsu

      Actually, in a 2009 study, 85% of people that owned a Mac also had a Windows PC (machine or dual boot)

    • Anonymous

      I’m sorry man, but that is an outlandish claim.

      I’m a Windows guy and I don’t think 80% is an accurate number.

      Is Windows better than ANY Mac OS? ABSOLUTELY, with a DOUBT.

      @e150a27e646961d5594b4ac9b6bd58f3:disqus You seem to hate the fact that the “man” that ran Apple was a total ASSHOLE and his bashing of other great technologist was completely uncalled for.

    • Test1ngi23

      LOL dude. I know Jobs was a HUGE asshole. I don’t like Apple. But the idea that 80% of Mac owners run Windows on them is just absurd! I’m not defending Jobs in the slightest. Just trying to point out obviously incorrect facts as incorrect.

    • Anonymous

      I think the guy was saying 80% of mac users also have a Windows running somewhere, not necessarily on the same machine. That’s probably true. Most Mac users I know have PCs also. You know, to run and do things that Macs can’t do.

    • OMG55

      I won’t say 80% of Mac user are running windows on a Mac, but alot of people I know like the design of Mac and have installed windows on it. But again, 80% is a reach

    • Anonymous

      Even if that was true, I can say with good certainty, Windows is used by those Mac users less than 3% of the time. We only need it to run the occasional program or game.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.bundgaard Thomas Bundgaard

      Sure thing. I’m guessing you’re basing the 3% on you and your hipster friends?

  • Anonymous

    Who would want to read a biography of a giant douchebag? 

    • NSK

      everyone, coz everyone’s a douchebag too.

    • Guest

      Do you have any doubt that it’s already a bestseller based on preorders? The 60 minutes spot alone guaranteed that.

  • http://twitter.com/TheTylerHarvey Sent from my toilet

    Jobs is such a sour apple.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000678662470 Vincent Haakmat

    I love Steve for his inventions, but geez, the more newsbits are leaking out, the more I see why people saw him as a grumpy old man

    • Anonymous

      Inventions? He was brilliant at understanding the market. That’s it. He didn’t invent anything.

    • Anonymous

      That should be innovations vice inventions.

  • Anonymous

    the more i read from his biography the more i lose respect to what he was.

    • Anonymous

      I feel exactly the same.

  • http://twitter.com/ankz_upadhyay Ankit Upadhyay

    Humility is what definies any human being and I am quite sad to see Steve didn’t have that. iRIP.

    • Anonymous

      Let me channel the spirit of Steve: “If humility means buying a Rolls Royce, acting rich and getting plastic surgery for my wife, then I’m glad I didn’t have it.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.bundgaard Thomas Bundgaard

      But declining fatherhood and badmouthing everything and everyone is “humid” (what’s the word?)?

  • Anonymous

    who cares.

  • http://twitter.com/SCGreyWolf GreyWolf

    Microsoft didn’t have to copy the Mac. Originally Macs used generic 68000-series processors. Windows ran on PCs with the x86 architecture. Then they switched to PowerPC. Windows ran on the x86 architecture. Finally, in a stroke of genius, (or just a stroke,) Apple switched to the x86 plaform.

    Who copied who?

    • Test1ngi23

      If x86 is so great, then why is Windows moving to ARM? Oh yeah! For the exact same reason Apple moved to x86 5 years ago, better power performance!

    • Anonymous

      They aren’t *moving* to ARM, they’re just *also* supporting ARM. This makes total sense when producing a next-gen OS to work consistently across a *much* wider hardware form factor platforms than mere desktops.

    • Guest

      Test1ngi23 isn’t too good with “facts”.

    • http://twitter.com/SCGreyWolf GreyWolf

      ARM processors will be supported with a scaled-down version of Windows 8 that only supports WinRT. No desktop. Now, tell me what Steve Jobs said about the x86 architecture before he suddenly decided it was THE processor platform for the Mac…

      You can read this to find out: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/06/23Apple-and-IBM-Introduce-the-PowerPC-G5-Processor.html
      Interestingly, he said almost the exact same thing when, 5 years later, they dumped the PowerPC for Intel.

      Jobs was a loud troll, and a fickle one. The PPC was never the fastest on earth and Jobs knew that when he said it. He was just pulling his usual Barnum act.

    • Anonymous

      Of course the PPC was the fastest – why did Xbox, Sony and Nintendo all adopt it?

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.bundgaard Thomas Bundgaard

      @veggiedude:disqus 

      I’m guessing it’s because PPC is/was easier to customize than anything Intel/AMD had to offer at the point. But if you “KNOW” that PPC was faster, I’m sure you have benchmarks to back it up with?

    • Anonymous

      At the same time Apple switched to Intel, Microsoft switched to PPC. In fact, the only way to be an Xbox developer in the beginning was to buy Apple G5 computers! 

      Apple had to switch for two reasons: 1) The PPC ate too much power, so it was useless for laptops and 2) Motorola could not keep up with the demand for chips.

      So you could turn it around and say Microsoft copied Apple for going to the PowerPC chip. Gaming consoles do not care for power consumption.

    • Anonymous

      Actually they had the xbox on PowerPC because of cost.  IBM was willing to license the design to MS intel was not.  Not to mention graphics power matters more in a gaming machine than processor power.  A similarly clock ARM/PowerPC will get beat hands down by a similarly clocked x86/64 processor every time even the atom lineup.  ARM will be more power efficient though and have a much smaller die space becuase of the smaller instruction set and lack of prediction gates.

    • Anonymous

      The only reason they are supporting ARM is price and power consumption.  Overall power is still goes to X86/64

  • http://twitter.com/JustEriksTwits Erik Oegema

    It was Microsoft who thought the Tablet pc form-factor is the future, they came whit the idea in the late 60′s. It was Apple who copied it. It was Nokia who came with the first smartphone, it was Apple who copied it. It was Xerox who came with the graphic UI, it was Apple who copied or maybe steal it. It is not strange eighter, Jobs’ always said “good artists copy, great artists steal”. And now he wants anybody to think he was the guy who found out these products.  

    And wait… Microsoft not innovative or original? Look to the Courier consept and the Surface. Or the Metro UI, whitch is in my opinion a really new way to get information and a new look on user experience. And of course, Microsoft Office is ripped of Apple’s Office suite? Don’t be so funny…

    • Anonymous

      I thought Ericsson came up with the first smartphone, the R380. I also though that’s when they came up with the term too. Which Nokia product are you thinking of, which preceeded the R380?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Boyd/576666141 Jason Boyd

      I’m hoping that you have a massive typo and meant to say 90′s and not 60′s

    • http://twitter.com/JustEriksTwits Erik Oegema

      Yes indeed ;)

    • Anonymous

      Apple Newton (1991) was Apple’s first tablet – long before anyone else.

    • Anonymous

      Apple was always 1st before MSFT when it came to any technology. The only thing MSFT did different was go with the OS licensing model, which is more of a business move then technology.

  • Ukwizard007

    Bill Gates’ Response to Steve Jobs on Windows Rip-off Claim… “Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”

    • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

      Except if you look at Windows 1-3, 95-98, you can see MS still couldn’t copy it right. That’s what Jobs was saying. MS has no taste.

    • Anonymous

      what didn’t they do right? You have an icon that represents an application. You click on it and it runs, just like on a mac. That is all an OS is supposed to do as far as the end user is concerned. All the other other things are either eye candy or tools for organizing and managing the apps. If MS didn’t do it right, they wouldn’t have 90% market share.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, these days it is 74% market share. But popularity has never measured taste. Look at the problems it created; by 1998 there were 220,000 viruses for Windows and only 80 for Mac OS 9!

      Since Mac OS X, in ten years, still no zero viruses for it.

      And Mac OS X has more than 10 times the user base of OS 9.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.bundgaard Thomas Bundgaard

      @veggiedude:disqus 
      74%?

      Please. 90-95% worldwide. Get your facts straight fanboy.

    • Avatar Roku

      Yeah MS did such a terrible job and Apple did so great at copying Xerox that everyone on earth wanted Windows and still til this day nobody uses Mac.

      I guess 95% of the world had bad taste in Steve Jobs demented mind. Apple computers always looked like stupid children’s toys growing up. No business would have ever built their companies around Mac. If not Windows then someone else would have beaten Mac OS.

    • Guest

      “til this day nobody uses Mac?”

      They’re above 10% of the market in North America. And they were by far the fastest growing platform again last quarter, wordwide. Indeed, of the 3% overall growth in x86 chips last quarter, Apple was responsible for fully 1% of that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.bundgaard Thomas Bundgaard

      @c8c0e5b0754770c5e1f7419a0698ecff:disqus 

      Growing from 5 to 10% (example) equals a 100% jump in market-share, where as growing from 90 to 91% is much much smaller. 

      But I guess Mac-people need some sort of consolation.

  • notePAD

    Jobs also claimed that Gates “just shamelessly ripped off other people’s ideas.”
    Jobs: Microsoft couldn’t copy the Mac well, they just didn’t get it
    Google: MS & Apple sleeping together, lol!

  • Anonymous

    it is funny that such brilliant guy doesn’t see the obvious: the reason MSFT doesn’t copy the mac is because the mac sells 6 million copies of the OS whereas MSFT sells 450 million and they really don’t want to make a product that doesn’t sell. but I guess people like Jobs are so in love with their own success in some areas that they apply the flawed logic that even their failures are a huge success because nobody copied them….errr.

    oh well, he’s gone now so I guess we may as well milk the last few anti-MS/google quotes for posterity. yet in the post iphone world of android, and post mac world of windows, his words will seem increasingly out of touch with reality.

  • Anonymous

    To put it into Apple loyalists words, Microsoft didn’t copy anything, they took an idea that wasn’t selling well and improved it which allowed it to become the best selling OS in the world.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NZRPL7DK7DFQQO44J5TM4PQLGU Harvey

    Just like The President, just like head football coaches, Steve didn’t invent, draw, design or write the code.  He was the head…the face…..That does not make ‘Him’ the visionary or the ‘greatest’.  He was simply the man in charge at the time.  Im sure he had ideas.  But he didn’t invent what is Apple today.  He was just in charge.  His brilliant workers did the work…the real inventing.

    • Anonymous

      partially true. A leader point his employees in a certain direction and need to recognize good ideas by the employees and pursue them. Plenty of ceo ignore good ideas by their employees. A good example is xerox not recognizing what they could do with the UI and mouse their employees invented.

  • http://twitter.com/Fire_Six Sriram Sarma

    As much as I dislike Apple and their products, I always respected SteveJ as someone iconic. He invents everything, absolutely no doubts about it. Can’t you see it resonating in the accusations against BillG?
    Now I am not sure if he wanted to leave behind a legacy or a book of jokes!

  • Mina

    He lived a bitter man … died a bitter man. What a shame?

  • OMG55

    I am getting tired of seeing everything about Steve Jobs on this site. Enough Already, Steve is gone!!! He was craving attention even in death, and we’re giving to to him by constantly posting his quotes. Dont you get it? If these item continue to appear on the internet, news papers, blogs, etc, the more promotion Apple gets for free. It sparks interest and makes people who are oblivious and only know about the iphone & ipad go out and buy his products. So Tom, please don’t post any more of this garbage here. We were kind and courteous upon Mr. Jobs passing; Don’t inject rage in us (windows followers) so we turn into idiots just like Steve was and will always be.

    “Long Live Windows”

    • Anonymous

      I’m glad that people got to see Steve Jobs for what he really was. If he had not done this book, everyone would have thought him as a great guy.

  • SDreamer

    Now we know what kinda Apple that is in the logo, a sour Granny Smith, the green apples for those that don’t know. I respected the guy, but his Bio should now be titlted, Confessions of Steve Jobs.

  • Anonymous

    Steve Jobs is an egomaniac. Microsoft brought computing to the masses. For example, is there such a thing as an “affordable” Apple computer??  Their cheapest desktop cost $1,200 bucks and their selling you i5 quad core processor, 500 GB hard drive and `1/2 gig video card.  What a rip off. Thanks to Microsoft, PC’s can be had for as low as $300 bucks at Fry’s so even a low income families can afford one. If Apple had its way, only the rich would have access to technology and the internet. 

    • OMG55

      I’m glad you posted specs, so people can see that all of the internal parts of a PC are essentialy the same. People are so shallow, they’re buying apple products simply because everyone else is and it has a eluminated Apple on the lid or shell. I wish some other manufacturers would eluminate there logos and only release devices in Black, white, and Silver (Oops, Apple migt sue them for copying colors and inventing the LED). But seriously, there are other manufacturers who make beautiful computers, but the masses won’t pay 1,200 dollars for those, because they have been spoiled; So when it comes to a windows system, they have a fixed dollar value in their heads.

  • Joel Job

    One fact remains. Steve Jobs died (a bitter man or not). Bill Gates are living his dream and enjoying the way he is spending his money – to improve the lifes of others – and he would probably do it for another 20 years and then die in peace. Now, in who’s shoes would I rather be ?

    • s b k

      I couldn’t say it better Joel. Gates and those like him enjoy the competition with Apple, Google and whomever else, it seems to drive them. Whereas Jobs wanted to be the only one around and couldn’t find anything nice to say about anyone else. Its a shame really that he had such a narrow lens of what being successful is all about. 

  • Bobdole

    Sounds like one of those folks that had a poor or no relationship with their daddy!  ;)

    • Anonymous

      He didn’t, according to his bio.

      His father met him and didn’t even know Jobs was his son. 

    • Guest

      And Jobs never bothered to let him know. Now that’s how to think different.

  • Krisada

    Yeah, I don’t get it. I don’t get why the world is so blindly into Apple and google. And if Microsoft really copy Apple, I’m glad they don’t get it. I will use windows 98 rather then latest interface Apple so proud of.

  • Rfrederick_PMP

    People forget that Jobs needed MS in 1997 to invest money into Apple, with Jobs telling the Macworld faithful that in order for Apple to win, MS did not need to lose.

  • Devon Garner

    Funny to hear Steve talk about lack of humanity. The one that would  rip into anyone for almost anything. A tyrant that ruled with an iron fist and degraded his employees, took credit for everyone elses hard work and only wanted “perfection” but not from himself from others. Tired of the worship and idolatry of this man. The iPhone and iPad are only good because of all the apps that other people have made for it. Siri is the first native function of the device but even it comes from outside even if Apple bought them. He was a great business man and lets leave it at that. Just my thoughts.

  • http://profiles.google.com/carlosrfonseca Carlos Ribeiro da Fonseca

    Well, I do agree in part with that, and I’d also say that Microsoft and Google are a lot alike.
    They are both pure tech companies and yes, neither gets “it”.

    Just look at how Windows 7 doesn’t know about SkyDrive. Or how the XBox doesn’t know about SkyDrive either. Even WP Mango only partially connects to SkyDrive.
    Or look at how they spend literally billions of dollars in research (more than Apple and Goolge put together) and the visible results amount only to Kinect (granted, it is amazing).

    For Google, just look at Wave, Buzz and now Google+. With Google+ they mostly make a list of features Facebook has and implemented them themselves. They missed the social part, the API and how to attract normal people, because they don’t get it.

    Yes, Steve Jobs has an arrogant a** but that doesn’t make him wrong about everything.

    • Devon Garner

      WHAT??!!?? MS does research for important things that we as consumers may never notice because all their motives are not to make money. If you look you will se many projects that they have worked on just to help out schools or workers and businesses. The Kinect is just a toy really until you see the way others have taken it and done amazing things with it(with MS blessings). MY Windows 7 does connect to my Skydrive. I have used Skydrive for quite some time now. And I use it everywhere even on my schools computers that run XP. Are you sure you use WIndows at all? 

    • OMG55

      what are you talking about???? I connect to, upload to, download from, and acess SkyDrive from windows 7, XP, ect all of the time. Sorry, but you must be a first time user who is still learning. Please know you product before commenting. In all honesty, you must be a mac user who is stuck playing with other mac users. Heck I can even access Skydrive from a Mac PC. Dude wake up!!!!

    • http://profiles.google.com/carlosrfonseca Carlos Ribeiro da Fonseca

      @google-b9b06886ce6004ca9caa1117656bfd04:disqus ,@5ae3a9c97394d2c91bbbce0f36ef9f91:disqus
      Well, obviously you don’t get it either.

      1. No one cares about inventions that never make it out of the laboratory. Yes, they may be cool but tomorrow there will be another cool invention and no one will remember the previous. Apple, with a much smaller research budget just keeps on throwing stuff at its users, sure, lots of it is copied from the competition but the point is that it’s out there.

      2. Yes, we can all connect to SkyDrive from Windows 7. Using the browser. Or Windows Live Mesh. But without either, can I put photos on the Pictures library and they’ll automatically go to SkyDrive and show up in my Omnia 7? Nope. Can I do it the other way around? Nope.Can I see the photos on my Omnia 7 on my TV via Xbox? Nope. Can one do it with iPhone, MBP and Apple TV without having to install anything else but iOS 5 and MacOS X Lion? Yes, yes and yes.

    • Anonymous

      Carlos Ribeiro da Fonseca
      I’m afraid you don’t get “it”. Apple most successful and quite honestly only successful product on the market is i.O.S. Do you even know how many products MS has on the market that are literally considered standard for industries and consumers? You probably don’t.

      I understand you and your like minded fans like to judge MS on Windows Phone sales and such, but please get your head out of your ass.

    • Guest

      Actually, you don’t get it. As brevi points out, you lack perspective because you probably don’t understand 90% of the markets MS competes in. You see the 10% and extrapolate from that. Now, those 10% are fast growing important markets for the future with the potential to eat into MS’s core products as well. So if MS doesn’t figure out a way to win it will be in real trouble. But you’re still coming it at from a perspective of limited understanding of the industry as a whole. In fact, why are you even here? I’ve read several of your posts and they’re all negative towards MS and fawning over Apple. I can understand someone preferring Apple; I have several of their products myself.  I just don’t get why you’d troll MS sites? What’s the payoff? Is this a childish nah nah nah? Or do you think complaining here is going to change MS? It isn’t.

    • OMG55

      If all you have to do all day is view, upload, and download photos all day, I feel sorry for you. I have productive day everyone doing more than viewing photos with all of the great tools MS has provide me and millions of consumers with. Everyone keeps saying MS missed the consumer market. Ask yourself some questions:

      1. who works in businesses? Consumers
      2. what OS is used primarily used in Schools and businesses?
      3. What’s percentage of business and School/college students use a windows PC?
      4. How many automobile manufactures use a microsoft product in the autos Navigation systems, and who drives those cars? Consumers
      5. how many hospitals use a MS product to help them perform their jobs?

      The list could go on and on, but I don’t want to take you away from playing with you pictures for too long…….Have fun making collages, etc. with you pictures.

      Sincerely,

      A Windows User

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R36QZINH374CVUDXTBWRIMJ6CA Naren B

      You can do it with Windows Phone mango.. And with Windows 8 coming up in Q1 2012, replication of backecup data between windows 8 and windows phone will happen. MS has announced that already.

      iOS5 knows where MS is going with SkyDrive. They copied the concept and brought it out first. It doesn’t eman they invented that concept.

    • Devon Garner

      You can put photos from your Skydrive onto your xbox with your iPhone or AppleTV? Also Apple has not thrown anything at its users in some time. The users are just throwing money at Apple. They are not leading they are reacting these days. They do not think differently they think of trying to one up the competition’s product. They took the mp3 and made it a shiny package.(there were already mp3 players) They took the smartphone and made it one stop shop.(Amazon with hardware) What is different? They have only added to the existing market, now they have added to the market, no dominated those markets but thinking differently not so much. But think about this for one second. I can access Skydrive( and allow access to my Skydrive to others by providing a link) from almost any device while you are limited to iOS 5 devices only. Is that truly better? I can use any Mac OS, Linux, and Windows machine to see pictures, documents, and music. Just saying just my thoughts.

    • Guest

      MS and Google have similarities. Both at their core are technology companies. Apple really isn’t, though they’re great at co-opting the technologies of others and putting them together in ways that produce products consumers see as innovative.  And they’re unmatched at marketing. As far as neither “getting it”, I don’t know wtf that means. Both have consumers successes far in excess of Apple and enterprise ones that Apple can only dream of. Has Apple beaten both badly in some areas, sure. Just as it has been beaten by both in others.

      Skydrive and Mesh should have been better integrated into W7. Nevertheless, it was there ahead of OS X, and you always have to be careful about chastising MS for not integrating something better in *Windows* because you never know when either the DOJ or EU may have told them not to. I don’t think that was the case this time. It was probably just bad execution. But just saying. Is iCloud better right now, at least for the files it supports? Yes. Was MobileME? No.

      Comparing R&D spend at MS vs Apple is stupid. They’re not the same company. MS has hundreds of products you probably never see unless you’re in the enterprise (your reference to Kinect suggests that you’re mostly a consumer). All those require R&D. They may not be sexy, but they’re what generate a lot of MS’s revenue and profit. And on the pure R side, universities around the world and many startups are very happy MS makes that huge investment. Is it as well managed as it could be? Probably not. Is it eight times worse managed than Apple? No, that’s ridiculous.

      Google+ has attracted something like 40M signups. Not bad for a new service going up against a dominant incumbent. Apparently they get it reasonably well. Has Apple done any better against FB? No.

      For two companies who don’t get it, it’s interesting how much of their technologies and UI elements Apple has copied into OS X and iOS. I will concede that Apple is better looking at te customer experience first and technology second. Whereas Google and MS tend to come at it from a technology bent. But both are learning and improving over time. Which is what good companies do: augment their expertise and adapt.

  • Shazam

    I think Steve didn’t die of cancer but from the shock of having to eat his own words…how you ask?

    When he saw the magical notification (iOs5) pull down and realized that everyone takes ideas from each other and APPLE is no different.

  • OMG55

    Maybe he didn’t really even want his appointed successor to suceed with Apple because he was so self absorbed. If people start seeing these comments and finding out about true facts, they may stop purchasing Apple product as much. Maybe he wanted to have the last word and go down in history as single handedly create sucessfull Apple products. If Apple’s popularity decreases as a result of his comments, sales go down, therefore making it look as if his successor destroyed what Steve built.

    • Anonymous

      I think he just wanted the last word.

    • OMG55

      I wouldn’t put anything past this guy, is own employees said how obsessed and demanding he was when it came to the iphone & ipad. Maybe he really felt like noones could equal or reach his level of expections. Knowing he would no long be here may have drove him insane….face it, he was all over the place with his biographer in his last days. Seems like he was filled with anger to me and I would put anything past him. He did say he would spend all of Apple’s 40B to take down Andriod didn’t he? These were some of his last words.

    • Anonymous

      Nonsense, Jobs being a bitter asshole doesn’t change the fact that Apple products are cool to own.

  • http://twitter.com/laserfloyd Lewis McCrary

    Was he ever happy?

    • Guest

      Sure he was. Every time he sued someone for copying his
      inventions. It looks like suing was his hobby.

  • Guest1

    Jobs has been died few days before, but the legend will die within a few days.

    • Anonymous

      As long as Windows exists, the legend of Steve is there to haunt it.

  • http://twitter.com/s_a_r_k_i_s sarkis chamelian

    iCloud = DropBox  . . . . hmmm….. tried buying them out…they said no……let me copy and call it iCloud……you may say the same with microsoft…or maybe not….but the real question is if he thinks his product was the best out there, why is it that nearly everything we use or see on a daily basis uses windows embeded OS . . . . ah who really cares right ? Microsoft just copies and apple make the best OS in the world……

    • Anonymous

      iCloud has nothing in common with dropbox. The user does nothing to use iCloud – it operates invisibly. Dropbox is a user specific tool. They actually work great together.

    • Guest

      Of course iCloud has things in common with Dropbox, itard.  Both sync files across devices. iCloud is more automatic, as long as you’re in the Apple ecosystem and don’t mind the limitations on files. Dropbox is platform agnostic and handles any kind of file.

    • Guest

      Funniest comment of the day.

  • http://www.about.me/AngeloGopaul Eingoluq

    If that was the case… THANK GOD!

  • http://www.mainstreetchatham.com/ JimmyFal

    Do ya THINK, that MS “couldn’t copy the Mac well MIGHT have been BY DESIGN???

    • Anonymous

      Yea, instead of command-X for cut, and command-C for copy, and command-V for paste, they came up with control-X for cut, and control-C for copy, and control-V for paste.

      Brilliant.

    • Anonymous

      Mac didn’t even have cut till snow leopard.

    • hamilton

      You’re showing your ignorance.  

  • Adrian Werner

    I’m not surprised Jobs’ bitter. I mean, first Gates completely rips him apart business-wise and then leaves before Jobs ever gets a chance for revenge. What’s worse, Gates then proceeds to spend his time, money and talent at making the world better place, effectively entering the road that will make him the biggest philantrophist in history. That’s how Gates will be remembered. All Jobs left on this world is few shiny gadgets.

  • http://adamhaider.com Adam Haider

    A bit of an off-topic but reminds me of a similar case with Walt Disney. Millions of people around the world thought — and still think —  that Walt was the creator of the Disney animated movies when in fact he could barely sign his own signature and was a poor animator who just sat in an office or walk around his studio shouting abuse at people [not so different than Jobs]. 

    Why this is relevant to Steve Jobs? He too was misunderstood by the public (whether purposely or not) in that in a professional capacity he did not do anything to create his products on an engineering or technical level but instead overlooked each project like a manager and similar to Walt Disney he was known to be very abusive with his demands. The claim people make is that he did this in order to reveal peoples creative potential but studying Walt’s history he was also said to do the same for this reason but it turned out that there were underlying family issues that shaped his nasty character. Could this also be true with Jobs?

    Now before Apple fans go crazy, I am not hating on Jobs. He certainly was a genius and did bring so much to world but in this context we must not kid ours and look at the reality of the situation. Which is that he was not an angel but very much a human-being like the rest of us with flaws. Which is why I find it interesting that this biography seems to be revealing the true raw side to the Steve Jobs people think they know and love. Having said this I do not think that many people will really understand this and instead focus their attention to how great he was.

  • Avatar Roku

    How does one know the difference between when someone does a poor job copying someone else and when they’re not trying to copy at all?

    Seems to me if Microsoft had done a “good” job copying Apple that they would have been out of business by 1997.

  • http://twitter.com/TheSeph The Seph

    If Microsoft is dumb and has maintained a 90%+ decades stronghold over the market in which Steve Job’s brilliant company never managed to capture a double-digit percentage in….well, then I’d rather be dumb.   Microsoft is more profitable – even right now…after Apple finally managed to capture a dominant consumer base in the handlheld media player market, tablet market, and a large portion of the smartphone market.

    I find it hilarious that a person whose company was only dominating 2 markets (handheld media players and tablets) was so arrogant.    Even if you compare iPhone numbers with other individual phones (regardless of OS), it is not dominating the market. 

    Apple has never lived up to its hype.   It’s never been as profitable as Microsoft.   Job’s brilliant team just built a UI on top of an existing operating system….and they stole their graphical UI, mouse (Apple 2, Mac….the things that kept them in business until iPod) from the same place Microsoft got their initial ideas.    Apple failed at capitalizing on their theft.   Microsoft had a better idea.   Microsoft won.   Apple had to call on Microsoft to save them (presumably Microsoft agreed so that Apple would not go under and give Microsoft 100% of the computer market.)

    I can’t believe there are people who believe Jobs’ BS

    If Jobs was so brilliant, then he should have known that following the same model in the smartphone market that he used for the Mac would eventually cause another company to follow the same model Microsoft used. It’s going to have the same results. Duh.

    • Guest

      MS is not more profitable any longer. Apple has passed them.

  • Anonymous

    This just makes be believe that Jobs was as arrogant person there ever was.  Combine this with the fact he claimed Android is a complete rip off.  RIP, Steve, but those comments are dumb. 
    1. Android may have been a copy of some features of the iphone, but so was the iphone itself.  Devices existed prior to iphone that had rows of icons, apps stores, and even GPS units.  I had an OLD OLD Palm Vii in 2000 that had a GPS restaurant finder app.  It also had rows of icons.  I also had a PocketPC 2003 with a GPS with spoken turn-bu-turn.   Yes, it rows of icons too.  These were even color.
    2. About the Mac.  Perhaps Microsoft didn’t try to copy the Mac.  Perhaps, there are some Microsoft people with their own ideas of how an operating system should work.  Does Steve realize that only 5% of the computers sold int he world were Macs?  A small portion of those were sold for the hardware so the user could run Windows on a Mac.

    Bottom line,  Steve was a master marketer.  EVERYTHING he did was about marketing and this book was no different.  It’s the same as Bill Clinton’s memoirs.  They are each more about promoting an agenda vs telling an actual part of history.

    • Guest

      There are more direct examples. The iPhone is an almost direct rip off of the earlier LG Prada phone. Google it.

    • Mark King

      I disagree with this – I think the iPhone is more of a progression from the iPod, it really just looks like an iPod touch from a few years earlier.

      In any case as much as I dislike Jobs I think Jonathan Ive is a very, very good industrial designer.

  • Guest

    Okay, Jobs is a really arrogant petty person. No surprise there for me, but apparently that’s news for some. But I have to agree with him that MS won’t change until Ballmer leaves. And I think MS does need to change. Just because Jobs was an asshole doesn’t mean he isn’t right.

  • Anonymous

    What a bitter asshole.

  • Anonymous

    Insulting Windows is the biggest insult Jobs can make. Moron. Good thing he died. Mac is no match for Microsoft Windows.

  • Anonymous

    I can see now why he wanted his biography released *after* he died.  There is a lot of smack talk inside.  I was interested in reading the biography after his death, but after all these articles about what is inside have come out I have no interest.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IB5W7OAW5VMYWLGVAR52HOXWSY jameel

    Steve Jobs thinks that he is great and others are dumb!

    • Anonymous

      But he was smarter then everyone else. He came back and turned around a company that had $3 billion in cash to $81 billion now. Tell me one CEO who ever increased a large corporation’s cash pile 2700%?

    • Anonymous

      Bill Gates, MS was losing money for years and then he brought his and Microsoft’s wealth to over 100 billion dollars in the early 2000s, then he gave away 50 billion dollars of his own money. Fuck Steve Jobs.

  • http://twitter.com/Polychromenz Tony Gorham

    I have always been proud of the way the MS never takes the bait. They act with dignity despite years of Apple trying to get into a public fight about right and wrong and trying to goad them. MS always acts with dignity and lets Apple look stupid when they pour so much effort into trying to name call and act like school yard bullies – MS just turns the other cheek. Good on ya Redmond.

  • Guest

    Dan Lyons got it right:

    “Isaacson says Jobs told him one reason he wanted to have a biography written was so that his children would know him. He said he hadn’t been around much for his kids, and he wanted them to understand why that was. This must be one of the saddest things I have ever read. The picture here is of a brilliant, successful yet amazingly narrow, limited, and ungenerous man, who, even as he was dying, could not let go of his desire to outdo his enemies and could not imagine anything more fulfilling to do with his limited time on earth than building more new gadgets and gizmos, a man who put work ahead of his family and was often appallingly hurtful to the people closest to him. He was, in other words, a man of his time, a symbol of all that is great and all that is wrong with our culture.”

  • http://twitter.com/oolong2 oolong2

    Jobs…..  still being an arrogant prick and bashing everyone from beyond the grave.

  • J. Davies

    Look, I get it. Steve Jobs was unpleasant and said rather dishonourable things. Must we dribble this out? It feels like Orwell’s Two Minutes’ Hate.

  • asker

    Anyone here read the book?

  • Lmpjunior1388

    Apple sucks and Steve Jobs was a ass.

  • Jed Hubic

    I mean why do we even care what Jobs said about Microsoft? MS is doing so insanely well and has been consistently I don’t know how anyone can think they’re the 2 bit operation jobs makes them out to be.

    450+ million licenses of Windows 7? Yah they don’t get it…

    He had some major accomplishments, but really…

    For every person he bashes he better have twice as many praises for guys like the Woz who basically made Apple behind the scenes.

    • Anonymous

      MSFT doesn’t lack money & success, they lack taste. Just look at how people flock to Apple Stores and always leave with armful of products. Few people in MSFT stores, usually leaving empty handed straight to the Apple Store!

    • Guest

      More background noise from the board clown.

    • Anonymous

      Explain me which MSFT products have class, taste and refinement.

    • Mark King

      Windows Phone 7 looks amazing. iOS still looks like Xerox might have made it – just icons on a desktop, all of them links to applications. iOS has done nothing but add more applications to the ‘desktop’ since 2007… the app store was a great idea (and one Steve personally rejected at the start) but it’s still just loading up more programs that run in isolation.

      I find it funny Steve always said that the hardware didn’t matter, it was what you could do with it etc. etc. but now every year they roll out the specs at every keynote… it’s all gHz, megapixels and GB same as everyone else.

      I can’t wait for the Apple TV – I read today that the guy in
      charge was the same guy who made iTunes, and considering the pile of
      crap that is I can’t wait to see how good the TV turns out!

  • http://twitter.com/MisakGhazaryan Misak Ghazaryan

    its his new tactic, if u cant beat them, insult them, he hopes ppl read it and believe it the jump on the apple bandwagin

  • Anonymous

    You’d think Jobs would have some more nasty words to say about the OEMs with their plasticy PC boxes rather then go after Windows.

    • Guest

      Yeah. Maybe having just about every non unibody polycarb Macbook crack in three years or less of use made him decide to keep his yap shut, though he seems to have opened it about everything else.

  • Apple_loser

    Cry all you want Apple fan boys, since that douchebag is dead, it will be the mid 80s to early 90s all over again!..

    Mac will slowly die just like the 80s in 10 years (They said Jobs left a plan for Apple worth 10 years).. get that?

    Early sign; If Mac OS will still be released as version 10/X for the next 3 years then  your doom is near brother!

  • Bryan

    Steve was the marketing and imagination icon in the technology industry and will remain so. He also thought the world of himself and bagged others, openly. It was his nature and those that knew him understood the character. Gates was and is immeasurably more intellegent than Jobs was or could ever be. However, Gates has never ridiculed Jobs’ for his IQ the way Jobs has ridiculed Gates for his imagination.

  • Oded Okd

    The more you read from this Biography the more it looks like Steve Jobs a
    very talented man but also one with an inflated Ego Paranoid character like
    most dictators of the world.

  • Past_a

    None of this is new but it is funny to read now that his crowning achievement, iOS, is now shamelessy ripping off both Wp7 and the hated Android.

  • NK

    No wonder apple products start with “i”. Its all about “i” and “i” alone.

  • asker

    Did Anyone here know Steve personally?